• May Day For Pettitte & Clemens

    Posted by on May 1st, 2012 · Comments (19)

    The Daily News is keep tabs.

    I am still waiting for the judge to ask Clemens’ lawyer: “Did you say ‘yutes’?”

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    Comments on May Day For Pettitte & Clemens

    1. redbug
      May 1st, 2012 | 4:38 pm

      I’m sure it was a tough day for Andy. (Maybe that’s why he had such a poor outing last night?) But he did the right thing and told the truth. Unlike Clemens who lied under oath.
    2. LMJ229
      May 1st, 2012 | 8:33 pm

      @ redbug:
      Knowing Clemens he probably doesn’t even think he is lying. I think he truly believes his own BS. Like when he would give up 6 runs in 4 innings and say “I felt good today, I was throwing the ball well, I had good stuff”.
    3. LMJ229
      May 1st, 2012 | 8:37 pm

      Did anyone here think that Edwardo Nunez would not hurt us defensively in the outfield? Seriously, I like the kid, and I think he will eventually be an able successor to Jeter, but he hasn’t even mastered the infield yet – and he’s an infielder!
    4. magnus
      May 1st, 2012 | 8:46 pm

      He’s horrible anywhere you need a glove
    5. JeremyM
      May 1st, 2012 | 9:04 pm

      Eh, they need a 13-man pitching staff. Very important. No need for an outfielder at all.
    6. JeremyM
      May 1st, 2012 | 9:06 pm

      @ LMJ229:
      He’s likely delusional at this point. But does Pettitte testifying that Clemens denied using in 2004 actually hurt the prosecution’s case?

      Regardless, we can all agree this is a complete and total waste of time. Everyone on Wall Street is walking free on the street, but if we lock up Clemens and Bonds, all will be right in the world.
    7. lisaswan
      May 1st, 2012 | 10:13 pm

      @ JeremyM sez: “Regardless, we can all agree this is a complete and total waste of time. Everyone on Wall Street is walking free on the street, but if we lock up Clemens and Bonds, all will be right in the world.”

      Nope — don’t agree. Lying under oath needs to be prosecuted and punished. Not to mention that Clemens brought *all* of this on himself.
    8. JeremyM
      May 1st, 2012 | 10:19 pm

      OK, most of us can agree. You think that’s worth the millions and millions that have been spent on this farce? To each their own I guess. I’d rather they clean house on a lot of these Wall Street execs that screwed us all instead of giving them cabinet positions and so forth.
    9. Raf
      May 1st, 2012 | 10:25 pm

      JeremyM wrote:

      Eh, they need a 13-man pitching staff. Very important. No need for an outfielder at all.

      Is Chris Dickerson hurt? Kevin Russo? Colin Curtis? DeWayne Wise?
    10. lisaswan
      May 1st, 2012 | 10:35 pm

      @ JeremyM:”OK, most of us can agree. You think that’s worth the millions and millions that have been spent on this farce? To each their own I guess. I’d rather they clean house on a lot of these Wall Street execs that screwed us all instead of giving them cabinet positions and so forth.”

      It’s not an either/or issue — whether or not Clemens is being prosecuted, the prosecutions you are seeking are never going to happen.
    11. Evan3457
      May 2nd, 2012 | 3:14 am

      lisaswan wrote:

      @ JeremyM sez: “Regardless, we can all agree this is a complete and total waste of time. Everyone on Wall Street is walking free on the street, but if we lock up Clemens and Bonds, all will be right in the world.”
      Nope — don’t agree. Lying under oath needs to be prosecuted and punished. Not to mention that Clemens brought *all* of this on himself.

      Why was it necessary for Congress to bring these guys in there to testify, to either a) force them to destroy their reputations for all time by admitting or, in effect, a la McGwire, taking the 5th, or b) exposing them to a perjury trap?

      I know, I know, Clemens “demanded” to testify. If these mostly useless hearings didn’t exist, his private denial would’ve been the limit, with no prosecution.

      I know, I know, the Congress has a right to investigate all interstate commerce, and the use of steroids by kids in high school is horrendous. What did the subpoenaing and testimony of the orignal 5 accomplish? What new law or regulation came of it?

      I’ll tell you what it accomplished. It provided media attention so clucks in Congress could appear on TV and lecture baseball players. “The government has maintained that the validity of the Mitchell report was important, in part because of overall concerns over steroids and HGH as a public health issue.” Again: what important new law or regulation came out of these hearings? Why was it important for Congress to be investigating this? Because a former Senator produced the Mitchell Report, and it needed to be validated?

      The US Congress shouldn’t be in the business of setting coercive perjury traps.
    12. Evan3457
      May 2nd, 2012 | 3:17 am

      Oh, just so you know…I think Clemens is likely guilty, guilty, guilty as the day is long. I just don’t like the idea of Congress pulling in people, in what is an issue those people are only tangentially involved in (that is, whether steroid use is hurting children), and being forced to concede their reputations, or face a perjury rap. Here, I’m thinking about McGwire, Palmiero, Sosa.
    13. agsf
      May 2nd, 2012 | 8:17 am

      “You think that’s worth the millions and millions that have been spent on this farce?”

      Please stop with this nonsense. Just because people make the same incorrect statement over and over again doesn’t make it true.

      “Contrary to popular belief, Congress did not expend unusually high resources investigating Clemens or, for that matter, HGH, B-12 and other substances. In fact, the costs associated with the two February 2008 hearings were comparable with most 110th Congress hearings, some of which also concerned “nonessential” topics but nonetheless failed to attract the same level of media scrutiny and public scorn.
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/michael_mccann/05/01/clemens.trial/index.html#ixzz1tiZcZI5v

      The money spent on this trial is a drop in the ocean. It makes no difference.
    14. MJ Recanati
      May 2nd, 2012 | 9:29 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Like when he would give up 6 runs in 4 innings and say “I felt good today, I was throwing the ball well, I had good stuff”.

      You can feel good and think you’re throwing well and still give up hits and runs. Similarly, you can be all over the strikezone and have absolutely no command and still pitch an effective game if the opposition bails you out.

      I would think that anyone who watches enough baseball would know that.
    15. MJ Recanati
      May 2nd, 2012 | 9:32 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      I’ll tell you what it accomplished. It provided media attention so clucks in Congress could appear on TV and lecture baseball players. “The government has maintained that the validity of the Mitchell report was important, in part because of overall concerns over steroids and HGH as a public health issue.” Again: what important new law or regulation came out of these hearings? Why was it important for Congress to be investigating this? Because a former Senator produced the Mitchell Report, and it needed to be validated?The US Congress shouldn’t be in the business of setting coercive perjury traps.

      Very much this.

      The Mitchell Report was a bought-and-paid-for ablution of MLB management, prepared by a Washington insider that had ties to two of MLB’s 30 teams (Red Sox and Angels). It was a shameful display of corruption by Bud Selig which, at this point, is par for the course with that guy.
    16. MJ Recanati
      May 2nd, 2012 | 9:33 am

      agsf wrote:

      The money spent on this trial is a drop in the ocean. It makes no difference.

      Very true. Still doesn’t make it a worthwhile endeavor, nonetheless.
    17. lisaswan
      May 2nd, 2012 | 10:01 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      I know, I know, Clemens “demanded” to testify. If these mostly useless hearings didn’t exist, his private denial would’ve been the limit, with no prosecution.
      I know, I know, the Congress has a right to investigate all interstate commerce, and the use of steroids by kids in high school is horrendous. What did the subpoenaing and testimony of the orignal 5 accomplish? What new law or regulation came of it?

      Clemens demanded these hearings. He chose to lie under oath. That makes him a worthwhile entry for the next “America’s Dumbest Criminals” list.

      As for what new law or regulation came of the original hearings, that is the reason we have the MLB testings that we do today. Without it, the players union probably would never have agreed to the steroid policies we have now.
    18. LMJ229
      May 2nd, 2012 | 1:54 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      You can feel good and think you’re throwing well and still give up hits and runs. Similarly, you can be all over the strikezone and have absolutely no command and still pitch an effective game if the opposition bails you out.
      I would think that anyone who watches enough baseball would know that.

      My point is that Clemens NEVER thought he pitched a bad game. I would think that anyone who watches the Yankees would know that.
    19. MJ Recanati
      May 2nd, 2012 | 3:57 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      My point is that Clemens NEVER thought he pitched a bad game.

      How that is relevant, I have no idea.

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