• Starring Curtis Granderson As Han Solo

    Posted by on May 18th, 2012 · Comments (10)

    Curtis Granderson has 180 career homeruns through yesterday. Of these, 120 have come with the bases empty. Yes, one-twenty.

    Picking up on what I mentioned two years ago on this, 68 of those 120 have come with no outs.

    So, two-thirds of Granderson’s career homeruns are solo homeruns and half of those have come with no outs. What does that tell you?

    Comments on Starring Curtis Granderson As Han Solo

    1. MJ Recanati
      May 18th, 2012 | 4:56 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      So, two-thirds of Granderson’s career homeruns are solo homeruns and half of those have come with no outs. What does that tell you?

      It tells me that one-third of Granderson’s career homeruns are not solo homeruns and that the other half of those have come with at least one out.

      Granderson is a good player. You’ll just have to accept that — and the implication that the trade for him was a smart and successful one — and find some other player to browbeat with an overly granular and trivial factoid in his statistical record.

    2. Garcia
      May 18th, 2012 | 5:02 pm

      So, two-thirds of Granderson’s career homeruns are solo homeruns and half of those have come with no outs. What does that tell you?

      Nothing. Kind of like one day your poop is brown, another day it’s a golden brown, another day it’s a mixture of a slight grayish and blondish color, sometimes you can sprinkle in a little green too, as well the occasional peanut, and corn. What does that tell you about poop?

    3. MJ Recanati
      May 18th, 2012 | 5:05 pm

      Garcia wrote:

      Nothing. Kind of like one day your poop is brown, another day it’s a golden brown, another day it’s a mixture of a slight grayish and blondish color, sometimes you can sprinkle in a little green too, as well the occasional peanut, and corn. What does that tell you about poop?

      HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, that freakin’ cracked me up!

      I’m sure different colored poop on a given day does tell you something but as long as there’s no blood in there, it’s all good.

    4. Garcia
      May 18th, 2012 | 5:09 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Yeah, no blood means that it’s just poop. And a solo-homerun is just that, a solo-homerun, whether you hit 10 or 50 or 100.

      Kind of like you, I was a bit perplexed as to what to make of that stat so poop popped into my brain.

    5. May 18th, 2012 | 7:57 pm

      I’m surprised at you guys…who love the granular stuff like PITCH F/X and LD%, etc…not willing to look beyond the forest at the trees, here.

      Me?

      I think that there’s something to this…

      I suspect that pitchers, with the bases empty, esp. with no outs, are challenging Granderson and he’s guessing fastball and getting it. And, if the pitchers were smarter, or if they start to catch on to this, then they will start to take advantage of Curtis’ hacking ways and make him chase…

      But, it’s just a theory…color it what you want.

    6. Raf
      May 18th, 2012 | 10:12 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      I suspect that pitchers, with the bases empty, esp. with no outs, are challenging Granderson and he’s guessing fastball and getting it. And, if the pitchers were smarter, or if they start to catch on to this, then they will start to take advantage of Curtis’ hacking ways and make him chase…

      So then wouldn’t it make sense that pitchers are taking advantage of Curtis’ hacking ways in the AB’s other than ones where there are bases empty with no out?

    7. Evan3457
      May 19th, 2012 | 4:01 am

      What is tells me is that pitchers, managers and pitching coaches have had two years to “make the adjustment”, and haven’t been able to so far, and that means they’ve probably tried to “take advantage of it”, and can’t.

    8. Evan3457
      May 19th, 2012 | 4:13 am

      When you wrote that two years ago, the implication you made at the time was that Curtis didn’t have “real power” but was correctly guessing fastball, and that pitchers and Managers would adjust.

      Starting with the 2010 season Granderson is 4th in MLB in HR and 22nd in RBI. Starting from 2011, Granderson is 2nd in RBI, and leads all major leaguers in HR.

      Still think Curtis doesn’t have “real power”?

    9. Evan3457
      May 19th, 2012 | 4:22 am

      BTW: did you know that of Rickey Henderson’s 297 career HR, 209 came with no one on base (70%) and of those, 145 (69% of that 70%, or 49% overall), came with nobody out?

      Did Rickey have real power? I dunno; he had a career total of 873 EBH, good enough for a tie for 69th all-time.

      He certainly had very little power when he first came up; in his 1st season, his iso was .062, and in his first 5 seasons, it was still just .107. But for the rest of his career, it was about .150.

    10. MJ Recanati
      May 21st, 2012 | 11:43 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      What is tells me is that pitchers, managers and pitching coaches have had two years to “make the adjustment”, and haven’t been able to so far, and that means they’ve probably tried to “take advantage of it”, and can’t.

      Exactly.

      To think that the league would take two years and Steve Lombardi’s suggestions to adjust to Granderson is absurd. Scouting adjustments take a few weeks, not a few years.

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