• The Difference Between The Los Angeles Angels Of Anaheim & The New York Yankees Of Bronx This Season

    Posted by on May 30th, 2012 · Comments (27)

    When the Angels needed help this season, they called up super-prospect Mike Trout from their farm system. When the Yankees needed help this season, they called up Jayson Nix and Dewayne Wise.

    Seriously, the Angels started this year 18-25; but, since then, they have won 8 games in a row (to date) and have changed the direction of their season.

    It would be nice to see the Yankees run off a long and impressive winning streak too. But, I don’t know if that can happen with their starting rotation. There’s just way too much inconsistency there.

    In fact, this Yankees season is starting to look a lot like their 2008 season – sans the ability to deflect attention from their level of play via the buzz around their Stadium closing.

    Comments on The Difference Between The Los Angeles Angels Of Anaheim & The New York Yankees Of Bronx This Season

    1. ken
      May 30th, 2012 | 12:21 pm

      The problem with the loss last nIght is actually having lost on Monday. Losses like last night happen. Pettitte pitched well but got hurt by a few mistakes. Yanks had their chances but didn’t take advantage. The real issue is the total stinker by Hughes the night before. No excuse to cough up a three run lead and getting out pitched by the Angel’s garbage time pitchers. If they won that game then today CC pitches for the series win. Completely different feel than what it is now.

    2. Evan3457
      May 30th, 2012 | 1:53 pm

      Trout is a great young prospect/player, that’s for sure.

    3. MJ Recanati
      May 30th, 2012 | 2:38 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Trout is a great young prospect/player, that’s for sure.

      He really is. Which is why it’s totally unfair for people to point to him when saying “see, the Angels can just call up a stud and the Yankees can only call up Nix/Wise.”

      Trout is a five-tool player that was passed on by 21 other organizations and never had a chance to be selected by the Yankees. The Angels did their homework where 21 other teams didn’t. Given that Trout is a product of New Jersey, I’m certain that the Yankees (and Mets, Phillies) had him on their radar.

      Too bad for the Mets and Phillies that they didn’t have first round picks that year otherwise they might’ve ended up on one of those clubs.

    4. May 30th, 2012 | 2:56 pm

      Yankees never had a chance to draft Trout, agreed.

      But, they had a chance to draft Brett Jackson or Todd Frazier in recent drafts and they would have been nice chips to have now.

      BTW, FWIW, if not for the Yankees, the Angels may not have Trout. They used a pick from the Yankees to draft him.

    5. MJ Recanati
      May 30th, 2012 | 3:15 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      BTW, FWIW, if not for the Yankees, the Angels may not have Trout. They used a pick from the Yankees to draft him.

      Indeed. He was the comp pick for signing Mark Teixeira. The pick right before, also owned by the Rangers, was their comp pick for losing Francisco “K-Rod” Rodriguez to the Mets.

      I’m relatively certain the Mets would’ve taken Trout even if the Yanks hadn’t signed Teixeira, if only because Trout was a local product. Considering that Trout signed for a slot bonus and didn’t hold the Angels up for an over-slot deal, the Mets would be playing Trout in CF right now.

    6. MJ Recanati
      May 30th, 2012 | 3:18 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      The pick right before, also owned by the Rangers

      *Angels, not Rangers.

    7. MJ Recanati
      May 30th, 2012 | 3:29 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      But, they had a chance to draft Brett Jackson or Todd Frazier in recent drafts and they would have been nice chips to have now.

      They’re OK. I like Jackson much more than Frazier but I really have no problem with the Brackman or Heathcott selections. Injuries happen but Heathcott was showing very good promise before he got hurt last year and, when picking last in the first round, you should always gamble on the higher ceiling players like Brackman over the higher floor players like Frazier.

    8. Raf
      May 30th, 2012 | 7:37 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      But, they had a chance to draft Brett Jackson or Todd Frazier in recent drafts and they would have been nice chips to have now.

      Maybe, maybe not. Hindsight is 20/20

    9. Raf
      May 30th, 2012 | 7:41 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      when picking last in the first round, you should always gamble on the higher ceiling players like Brackman over the higher floor players like Frazier.

      Exactly. Especially when you’re an organization like the Yankees that doesn’t really rely on the farm system. High ceiling “toolsy” athletes have been selected by the Yankees, be it Bo Jackson, John Elway, Drew Henson, Deion Sanders, Austin Jackson, etc, etc, etc…

    10. Raf
      May 30th, 2012 | 7:43 pm

      Similarities between the two organizations;

      Albert Pujols 1b, 10 years/$240M (2012-21)
      C.J. Wilson lhp, 5 years/$77.5M (2012-16)

      Neither are afraid to spend money ;)

    11. Raf
      May 30th, 2012 | 8:04 pm

      I do appreciate the Angels kicking Bobby Abreu to the curb to make room for Trout.

    12. MJ Recanati
      May 30th, 2012 | 8:22 pm

      Raf wrote:

      I do appreciate the Angels kicking Bobby Abreu to the curb to make room for Trout.

      It was the sensible move, even though I love Bobby and feel like Yankee fans didn’t appreciate him enough.

    13. LMJ229
      May 30th, 2012 | 11:26 pm

      Is there really NO ONE the Yankees could have called up? Sometimes its nice just to have an injection of youthful exuberance with such a veteran team.

    14. Raf
      May 30th, 2012 | 11:40 pm

      I don’t know why Chris Dickerson hasn’t been called… Actually it’s probably because he bats lefty and Girardi’s a slave to the platoon.

    15. Evan3457
      May 31st, 2012 | 2:46 am

      Isn’t Dickerson on the DL? I thought he was…

    16. Evan3457
      May 31st, 2012 | 2:48 am

      Dickerson hasn’t played since April 11th, even in AAA. Don’t know why.

    17. May 31st, 2012 | 9:04 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Is there really NO ONE the Yankees could have called up? Sometimes its nice just to have an injection of youthful exuberance with such a veteran team.

      Agreed, like the year they called up Cano and Wang. Or, the year they called up Melky. But, with the Yankees roster and farm system now, those days are over.

    18. Greg H.
      May 31st, 2012 | 11:27 am

      ken wrote:

      The real issue is the total stinker by Hughes the night before.

      Could not agree more. Although to be fair, in the AL East, pretty much every team has demonstrated the ability to drop a huge turd of a game about every 5 or 6. Pretty soon one of the teams will hit their stride and I hope it’s the Yanks. I would not have any problem switching Hughes for Phelps in the rotation, should Girardi decide to do so. Phelps may not be too economical, but it doesn’t seem he gets lit up too often like Phil does.

    19. MJ Recanati
      May 31st, 2012 | 8:02 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Sometimes its nice just to have an injection of youthful exuberance with such a veteran team.

      You do realize that’s just narrative, right? The 2005 Yankees appreciated Cano’s and Wang’s “injection of youthful exuberance” because they were actually good, productive players. If they had sucked no one would be talking about their exuberance at all.

    20. MJ Recanati
      May 31st, 2012 | 8:05 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      But, with the Yankees roster and farm system now, those days are over.

      I think you’re being a little bit hyperbolic here. Those days are over in 2012, simply because Eduardo Nunez and Brandon Laird aren’t legit MLB players. A year or two from now, it can be a completely different story. A farm team can be transformed with one draft.

    21. MJ Recanati
      May 31st, 2012 | 8:06 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      I would not have any problem switching Hughes for Phelps in the rotation, should Girardi decide to do so.

      I’d be 100% on board with that. Too bad Girardi is so insanely rigid and sticks with guys well past logic and good taste would deem appropriate.

    22. LMJ229
      May 31st, 2012 | 9:21 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      The 2005 Yankees appreciated Cano’s and Wang’s “injection of youthful exuberance” because they were actually good, productive players. If they had sucked no one would be talking about their exuberance at all.

      There have been plenty of serviceable young guys the Yankees have called up over the years. Juan Rivera, Shane Spencer, Melky Cabrera types. I’m not expecting a superstar like Cano, we’re just looking for someone to fill in while Gardner is out. Hey, you never know. After all, Jeter, Petitte, Wang all secured a spot on the team as fill-ins for injured players.

    23. Raf
      May 31st, 2012 | 9:27 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      A farm team can be transformed with one draft.

      Or with a couple of good seasons from kids on the farm.

    24. MJ Recanati
      June 1st, 2012 | 9:11 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      There have been plenty of serviceable young guys the Yankees have called up over the years. Juan Rivera, Shane Spencer, Melky Cabrera types.

      I guess I’m not seeing the difference between a Nix type and the guys you mentioned. Is it because the guys you mentioned were drafted/signed by the Yankees? Is it an emotional thing to bringing up homegrown guys instead of ex-prospects from other teams? In terms of production on an annual basis, it’s pretty much the same.

      Juan Rivera: 0.16 WAR/season (280 PA over three seasons)
      Shane Spencer: 0.66 WAR/season (1215 PA over five seasons)
      Melky Cabrera: 0.9 WAR/season (2148 PA over five seasons)

      Jayson Nix: -0.1 WAR (29 PA in 2012)
      Dewayne Wise: -0.2 WAR (24 PA in 2012)

      Melky was an everyday player. The others are backups and their production reflects that. I guess I don’t see why there would be lament for a Juan Rivera or a Shane Spencer when Raul Ibanez or Jayson Nix fills the same role.

    25. LMJ229
      June 1st, 2012 | 11:06 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      I guess I’m not seeing the difference between a Nix type and the guys you mentioned. Is it because the guys you mentioned were drafted/signed by the Yankees? Is it an emotional thing to bringing up homegrown guys instead of ex-prospects from other teams? In terms of production on an annual basis, it’s pretty much the same.

      That’s my point exactly. If their production is pretty much the same, why not take a look at our own prospects instead of an ex-prospect from another team. The experience for our guys might be worthwhile in the long run.

    26. MJ Recanati
      June 3rd, 2012 | 10:32 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      If their production is pretty much the same, why not take a look at our own prospects instead of an ex-prospect from another team. The experience for our guys might be worthwhile in the long run.

      I’m not following your logic. If the Yankees don’t have any 22 year old outfielders but instead have someone else’s 29 year old outfielder and both will perform at the same (replacement) level, what difference does it make where they originated from?

    27. Raf
      June 3rd, 2012 | 12:05 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      That’s my point exactly. If their production is pretty much the same, why not take a look at our own prospects instead of an ex-prospect from another team. The experience for our guys might be worthwhile in the long run.

      Because the organization may want them to play every day. Because the organization may not deem them ready for the majors, hindering their development. Because they’re injured. Because the organization is conservative with the way they handle minor leaguers. It could be any number of things.

      Of course there’s the possibility that 29 year old outfielder may have been treated that way when he was 22. May or may not do them any good.

      4th, 5th, 6th outfielders are a dime a dozen. Cannon fodder. So they decide to call up Terrence Long, DeWayne Wise and Lance Nix instead of Shelley Duncan, Colin Curtis (is he still recovering from shoulder surgery?) and Kevin Russo. Not that big a deal.

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