• To Cheat Or Not to Cheat

    Posted by on May 30th, 2012 · Comments (16)

    Great read.

    Comments on To Cheat Or Not to Cheat

    1. MJ Recanati
      May 30th, 2012 | 3:10 pm

      Very interesting article.

    2. Raf
      May 30th, 2012 | 8:46 pm

      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/reliever-dan-naulty-1999-world-series-team-spills-ugly-truth-steroids-article-1.276158

      I’ve had teammates that used roids. It wasn’t that big a deal. You did what you could. Drugs have been around in one form or another in baseball, and looking back, I would rather a player juice up trying to make themselves better than piss away a career boozing or snorting cocaine.

    3. MJ Recanati
      May 31st, 2012 | 7:51 pm

      Raf wrote:

      I would rather a player juice up trying to make themselves better than piss away a career boozing or snorting cocaine.

      I agree.

    4. KPOcala
      June 1st, 2012 | 1:27 am

      @ MJ Recanati: This is what passes for mores these days? This type of thinking has been poring like pus out of Washington for so many decades that people don’t even understand that they’ve become morally infected. Sorry, but your logic and by extension, Raf’s, doesn’t hold up to close scrutiny. The idea of fair competition, being in the province of chumps, would foster the mentality that committing felonies in the course of gaining an advantage is great (just don’t get caught, champ), destroying long-term health, et al is fine. Fine as long as we get our Circus, no?

      Of course this cheating mentality, pressured, pervasive, even encouraged in high schools, colleges, grad schools and beyond foster this mindset. I can easily see where this all seems normal. The ends justifies the means. Right? F-ing sickening.

      I will say this, the weeds that are already ready to seed out will make for interesting times for the under 30 demographic. Having to write this rebuttal makes me feel sicker than anything I’ve ever had to write a commentary on. Good night, and good luck.

    5. MJ Recanati
      June 1st, 2012 | 9:23 am

      @ KPOcala:
      First, don’t preach at me and tell me that my morals are somehow defective. You don’t know me any better than I know you so there’s simply no place for that kind of morally superior bullshit.

      Second, I’m not remotely interested in hearing arguments of legality. I hope you never drank a beer as an underage individual, I hope you never went even a mile over the speed limit and I hope you never crossed the street with a “Don’t Walk” sign. Spare me.

      Third, and most important, if an individual wants to expose his body to the unknowable potential health risks associated with PED use, that’s not my place to worry about and it’s not yours either. Each person should be able to make their own decisions in life based on their own motivations and incentives.

      I don’t know how old you are — I’m 36 — but you come off sounding like a curmudgeonly jerk. You are free to weep for the future but don’t be surprised when none of the young whippersnappers come to your aid when you’ve fallen off your soapbox and can’t get back up.

    6. KPOcala
      June 1st, 2012 | 12:32 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      “Second, I’m not remotely interested in hearing arguments of legality”.

      Give a shallow man a length of rope,and he’ll hang himself every time. If you wind up having kids pray that your not listening to “The needle and the damage done”. Enough said.

    7. Raf
      June 1st, 2012 | 1:35 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Spare me.

      Yeah, spare me too. Glad you live in a fantasy world where all is righteous just and fair, KPOcala, but I don’t.

      If you think this is about the under 30 crowd, well, I recommend that you pull your head out your ass because that mentality (the ends justify the means) precedes the under 30 crowd. And since you seem to want to bring politics into this it’s exactly that “fairness” mentality is the reason why the country is in the shape it’s in today. It’s nice that everyone gets a trophy, but no one understands that it’s not victory that shapes a person, it’s defeat.

    8. MJ Recanati
      June 1st, 2012 | 4:12 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      Give a shallow man a length of rope,and he’ll hang himself every time. If you wind up having kids pray that your not listening to “The needle and the damage done”. Enough said.

      You’re better than me, right? You’re the perfect individual: smart, noble, humble, chaste and true. Congratulations to you.

      Not everyone can be as good as you can. I’m sure you sit at home polishing all your medals and trophies for all the mental gymnastics meets you’ve won over the years. It must get lonely but, hey, that’s what the internet and imaginary friends are for.

    9. KPOcala
      June 1st, 2012 | 8:12 pm

      @ MJ Recanati: Thin skinned too. You wrote it, not me. Your 35, middle-aged, but haven’t gotten around to believing that college was a long time ago. Given enough time you’ll collate what you’ve learned in school and life, and will “get” what I’m really trying to drive into your head.

      Ethics dude, it’s about ethics. Read the Verducci article carefully. If you can’t understand what is really being written about……..

    10. KPOcala
      June 2nd, 2012 | 9:10 pm

      Raf wrote:

      It’s nice that everyone gets a trophy, but no one understands that it’s not victory that shapes a person, it’s defeat.

      On this we can agree. Didn’t the idea that ‘roid use caused others to either lose their jobs, cause others to join the crowd, killed some? Is this what sports is about? “Just win baby”. If so, fine. The government and pro sports agree that anything goes. Everybody walks in with only set of rules. We watch guys play ball, box, fight, whatever. I’m fine with that. I’m not fine with guys that MUST cheat or go home. I’m NOT fine with enhanced athletes breaking records and getting the acclaim. Even field, that’s sporting. And at the risk of sounding like I’m on a soapbox, I’ve been around crack, ‘roids, booze for so many years that I’ve watched men’s promising lives go into the dark box. And watching the same movie makes me feel like throwing up. Sorry if you and MJ took what I wrote the wrong way. I was trying to make larger points, but this is the wrong format for what I was looking to convey.

    11. Raf
      June 3rd, 2012 | 1:55 am

      KPOcala wrote:

      Is this what sports is about?

      No, it’s what the profession is about.

      And at the risk of sounding like I’m on a soapbox, I’ve been around crack, ‘roids, booze for so many years that I’ve watched men’s promising lives go into the dark box.

      As have I. And despite people knowing the dangers, they do it anyway. Generally, I’m not a fan of nannying. If these people want to do it, go right ahead. But they will suffer the consequences of their actions.

      And an even field has never existed in baseball. The only consistent thing in the game is 60’6″ to home plate, 90′ around the bases, 4 balls you walk, 3 strikes you’re out, 3 outs you change sides.

    12. Corey
      June 3rd, 2012 | 9:56 am

      Raf wrote:

      It’s nice that everyone gets a trophy, but no one understands that it’s not victory that shapes a person, it’s defeat.

      Great line, very quotable. Hold on to that one.

    13. MJ Recanati
      June 3rd, 2012 | 10:19 am

      @ KPOcala:
      Again judging me as if you knew me. Oh well…I resign from this conversation. Believe whatever you want about me and keep on preaching to me if that’s what’s going to make you feel better about yourself.

    14. KPOcala
      June 3rd, 2012 | 1:15 pm

      @ Raf:
      The field was fairly even until the late seventies. You could argue the use of amphetamine, but they are only help if used sparingly. However your point is well taken. My biggest two beefs with the PEDs though, is that it drags too many people in, and it becomes prevalent even in high school sports. Then again, kids were ingesting crap even when I was in middle school and most of them made it middle-age, so I guess your right.

    15. KPOcala
      June 3rd, 2012 | 1:16 pm

      @ MJ Recanati: What in the hell are you still harping about? Get over it already.

    16. MJ Recanati
      June 3rd, 2012 | 1:21 pm

      @ KPOcala:
      I’m still harping because I’m a morally bankrupt frat-boy idiot.

      Keep preaching, preacher.

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