• This Is Cashman’s Yankes. So, Really, Why Should Yankees Fans Expect Anything From Their Team Going Forward?

    Posted by on September 15th, 2012 · Comments (65)

    The New York Yankees are 24-29 in their last 53 games. That’s 8 weeks of ugly baseball.

    And, they are 11-16 in their last 27 games. That’s 4 weeks of terrible baseball.

    There are now just 18 games left to the Yankees 2012 season. Why should we expect this team to play any better than they have in their last 27 or 53 games? When was the last time there was a sign that this Yankees team was any good? Back in mid-July?

    And, let’s not forget that this Yankees team opened the season by going 21-21 in their first 42 games.

    At this point, the only way the Yankees make the post-season this year is if they manage to back into it. And, even if they do, they’re not advancing very far – at all.

    In October 2005, Brian Cashman was given full autonomy on running the Yankees. How have they done since that time? Let’s review:

    2006: Yankees get fat winning a bunch of games against the Rays and Orioles, who suck, and finish first because there’s no competition in the A.L. East. And, they get whacked by the Tigers in the ALDS.

    2007: Yankees finish second in the A.L. East and make the post-season as a wildcard team. And, they get stunned by the Indians in the ALDS.

    2008: Yankees continue to go backwards – this time finishing third in the A.L. East and they do not make the playoffs.

    2009: Cashman goes out and spends a half-billion dollars to get Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira in their prime. Yanks finish first in the A.L. East – getting fat against the Jays and O’s who are terrible. In the post-season, thanks to Anthony Galea’s magic potion, A-Rod carries the Yankees to a World Series victory.

    2010: Yankees finish second in the A.L. East and take the wildcard. They beat the Twins in the ALDS – the only franchise that a “Cashman” Yankees team has ever beaten in the ALDS – and lose the ALCS to the Rangers. And, if not for an 8th inning meltdown by the Rangers in Game 1 of the ALCS, Texas would have swept the Yankees.

    2011: Yankees finish first in the AL. East – thanks to getting fat against the Orioles who suck and the Blue Jays who are mediocre. And, they fold up like a cheap suit against the Tigers in the ALDS.

    2012: To date, the Yankees blow a 10-game lead in the A.L. East that was mostly derived from one mid-season hot streak where they got fat in inter-league play and find themselves fighting for their lives, trying to get any playoff sport, with just 18 games left in the season.

    It’s the same old thing, year after year, the last seven years when it comes to “Cashman’s Yankees” sans that one season (2009) where he broke the bank and got a lift from the Canadian Dr. Feelgood. They win a lot of regular season games – which is an illusion because it’s bolstered by his team getting super fat when playing crappy teams – and then get exposed when they have to face a good team in the post-season.

    And, at this point, it’s so freakin’ predictable that it’s beyond boring…and it’s annoying.

    Please, somebody, make it stop.

    Comments on This Is Cashman’s Yankes. So, Really, Why Should Yankees Fans Expect Anything From Their Team Going Forward?

    1. tampayankeefan
      September 15th, 2012 | 8:27 am

      Bingo. You are the first writer of any sort truth about the Yankees. But you failed to mention Giradi’s inept management makes it worse since he favors antique players and uses them till the break down

    2. September 15th, 2012 | 8:42 am

      While I believe that Girardi is a wonderful human being, he’s just a good manager – and not a great one. He’s not at the Showalter level. Maybe someday he will get there? But, I suspect it will come when he’s managing the Cubs – which may happen as soon as 2014 – rather than us seeing it with the Yankees.

      I know that some of his moves with the Yankees are open for question. But, he’s just riding the horses that he’s been given by Cashman.

      And, while he’s not terrible for the Yankees, like Valentine is for the Red Sox, if the Yankees don’t make the post-season this year, I think the media will make his life hell here and he’ll be happy to head to Chicago if he gets the chance.

    3. Corey
      September 15th, 2012 | 9:25 am

      I’ll take this over what’s happening in Beantown anyday.

      Then again, Boston has a clean slate………

    4. September 15th, 2012 | 9:40 am

      Dave Kingman. Anyone remember him, I was thinking about him last night as I watched another game slip through the Yanks fingers. 35 years ago today the Yankees picked him up just to add another another weapon for the regular season. The guy helped, hit a few homers drove in some runs, but the point is he was there if he was needed. Take a look now, in the 9th inning of a must win game Nunez, who we already know can’t field is at short, why? Where are the players? Where is this general manager? Where is he when his starting left fielder goes out in April and misses the entire season. Back in 2011 Cashman was ready to go into the season with a soon to be 41 year old closer with no back up plan in the event that maybe a 41 year old might get hurt, or not be as effective as he had in the past. Fortunately, the family overruled him and Girardi had an answer. For a team with the resources that the Yankees have, Cashman is a joke. Maybe their is a comfort zone with him, but can we now admit he is at best a run of the mill GM (I think he is no where near as good as that) and start searching for someone who knows not only numbers but baseball talent when he sees it. Can we admit this guy is the weak link in the management chain and do something about it.

    5. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 9:57 am

      Corey wrote:

      I’ll take this over what’s happening in Beantown anyday.

      Then again, Boston has a clean slate………

      This team is starting to resemble last year’s Boston team. It’s quite possible that next year’s Yankees team might resemble this year’s Boston team. But, as you pointed out, Boston’s management figured out a way to get out from underneath their albatrosses and get a clean slate. With Cashman, Levine, Hank and Hal at the helm I doubt the Yankees will be able to do that.

    6. Raf
      September 15th, 2012 | 10:08 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      While I believe that Girardi is a wonderful human being, he’s just a good manager – and not a great one. He’s not at the Showalter level.

      Showalter isn’t even at the Showalter level. :P

      I’ll give him his props if the O’s prove themselves to be a contender next year, and not a flash in the pan built around an anomaly (performance in 1-run games)

      Joseph Maloney wrote:

      Take a look now, in the 9th inning of a must win game Nunez, who we already know can’t field is at short, why? Where are the players?

      Nix can’t play short?

      Where is he when his starting left fielder goes out in April and misses the entire season

      I believe there are several guys who can play LF, but Girardi has an obsession with the hand that they bat with. Been a while since I’ve seen a manager that deploys his players in such a strict platoon manner.

      Back in 2011 Cashman was ready to go into the season with a soon to be 41 year old closer with no back up plan in the event that maybe a 41 year old might get hurt, or not be as effective as he had in the past.

      And how did Soriano do in 2011? And were there no closers available after the 2011 season? Also, has there never been an instance in MLB where a closer got hurt during the season and the team filled the role with another bullpen arm?

      C’mon now, you guys are just being silly…

    7. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 10:23 am

      Everyone is responsible for this epic collapse.

      Cashman built this all or nothing team with aging players and a complete lack of major league ready talent in the minors.

      Girardi has done a terrible job of managing lately. He should have pinch hit for Russel Martin in the 8th (why send up a righty .200 batter when you have all those lefties on the bench?) and he should have replaced Nunez with Nix in the 9th (we all know Nunez is a defensive liability). And, can someone please tell me why Swisher is still batting second and why Martin is backing up Cano? Is it any wonder that Cano is slumping? With Martin hitting behind him, its amazing he ever gets a good pitch to hit.

      And finally, of course, the players deserve their fair share of the blame. Granderson is a strike out machine, Swisher is probably the streakiest player in baseball and he’s in a real bad streak right now, Cano is undisciplined, Martin and Andrew Jones are automatic outs, Texiera is so pull-happy that he doesn’t hit for average anymore, Sabathia is by no means pitching like an “ace” right now, the list goes on and on.

    8. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 10:41 am

      I mean, come on, take a look at the line-up we put out there last night. Our 5-6-7-8 batters are hitting .208, .200, .234, .244. Our #2 hitter is so bad right now that he leaves every at-bat shaking his head in disgust. What pitcher is going to fear that line-up? The bigger question is why do we keep putting these guys out there every day, game after game? The answer: Because of the ineptitude of our front office, we have no one else. You know why the Orioles are winning? Because they kept sending guys up and down all year long until they found guys who could perform. And there’s a bonus in that also because they are young, athletic, energetic and hungry. The Yankees either don’t have anyone, or refuse to, replace our aging veterans.

      And listen, I’m not talking about taking Granderson and Swisher out of the line-up forever. But they do need to be spelled every once in awhile. Do we really need to see any more of Andrew Jones and his .200 BA? Did we really need to trade for Pearce and his .244 BA? Couldn’t we give someone in the minors a shot? Hell, let’s make Nunez the DH. He can’t field but he can hit. Put Swisher at 1B and Dickerson in RF. Damn it, do something! It’s obvious our current approach isn’t working. Remember how Shane Spencer came up and provided that spark? If they never gave him a shot it wouldn’t have happened. Girardi is too married to his veterans.

      OK I’m gonna stop ranting now. Thank God for the A’s.

    9. Raf
      September 15th, 2012 | 10:45 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Is it any wonder that Cano is slumping? With Martin hitting behind him, its amazing he ever gets a good pitch to hit.

      Then he should take those pitches and boost his OBP. Worked for Barry Bonds.

    10. Raf
      September 15th, 2012 | 10:51 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      You know why the Orioles are winning?

      Because they have a ridiculous record in one run games.
      http://www.baseballanalytics.org/baseball-analytics-blog/2012/9/13/the-orioles-win-anther-one-run-game.html

    11. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 11:06 am

      I, personally, do not believe that Cashman knows what it takes to build a true championship team – not the bought, flash-in-the-pan type of team we had in 2009 – but a true winner that will seriously contend each year for the title. We have seen other teams spend and win only to crash and burn after that. I’m talking about building a team – from free agents, to trades, to the minors – that has just the right mix of players to seriously contend for the title each year.

    12. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 11:07 am

      Raf wrote:

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Is it any wonder that Cano is slumping? With Martin hitting behind him, its amazing he ever gets a good pitch to hit.

      Then he should take those pitches and boost his OBP. Worked for Barry Bonds.

      As I said, Cano is an undisciplined hitter.

    13. KPOcala
      September 15th, 2012 | 11:32 am

      @ LMJ229:We all know that, it’s really the ‘devil is in the details’ plus a lot of luck, isn’t it?

    14. Raf
      September 15th, 2012 | 11:58 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      I, personally, do not believe that Cashman knows what it takes to build a true championship team – not the bought, flash-in-the-pan type of team we had in 2009 – but a true winner that will seriously contend each year for the title.

      So making the playoffs and having one of the best teams in the majors isn’t seriously contending?

      Learn something new every day :p

    15. Greg H.
      September 15th, 2012 | 1:00 pm

      Disappointing.

      This year’s team is streaky as they get, and they picked the wrong time to streak south. If the streaks were reversed, they stunk the place up midseason, were down 10 games in the division, and then got hot in August and September like the A’s, and sat in mid sept tied for the division, would everyone be saying the same things and pointing the finger at every Yanks official?

      Seriously, I get the frustration, but expecting the Yankees to field the best team at every position and have scores of young turks foaming at the bit in AAA to take over should someone happen to be hitting .249 or not “pitching like an ace”? Come on, that seems a little entitled.

      You like the Orioles? That team, with its brilliant ownership and management is enjoying it’s first winning season since 1997. And as pointed out, this is a major anomaly, not only in one-run games, but in run differential as well. But hey, there’s still time to jump over to the Blue Jays while they still suck. I’ll stay with the Yanks for better or worse.

      And BTW, call me an optimist, but the 2000 Yankees stunk like roadkill in September, barely made the post season and won the world series. As bad as it looks, anything can happen.

    16. Scout
      September 15th, 2012 | 2:30 pm

      There is, as others have said above, plenty of blame to go around. So, for a change of pace, let me start at the top.

      The team had mercurial ownership under George Steinbrenner for decades, though it sometimes covered for its mistakes by throwing moeny at the problems. The rules back then let the Yankees flex their financial muscles without penalty, which is no longer the case. And now there are other deep-pocket franchises, too.

      Enter the younger Steinbrenners. Hank demonstrated some of the same blustering-fool tendencies as his father, then committed the single worst blunder in Yankee contract history by signing A-Rod to the ten-year deal. That contract now hangs around the neck of the organization like a cannonball on a swimmer. The others forced Hank to take a backseat after that, but it was too late.

      Hal seems much more bottom-line oriented, and he has expressed a commitment to get the payroll under $189 million by 2014. Ownership approved the huge contract for Texeira that increasingly looks like a deal with the devil (one championship in 2009 followed by six years of increasing mediocrity). Ownership negotiated the inflated Jeter deal, plus the rich Soriano contract. I get the sense that Hal has gradually shifted to a cost-conscious approach, which is his prerogative, but only after agreeing to some excessive deals. In other words, it seems the team changed direction, but it carries excessive legacy costs.

      Some have suggested the Yankees should be like the Red Sox and dump its over-priced assets. But I see no sign that ownership recognizes its past mistakes or is prepared to go through several lean years as it rids itself of aging assets. You keep hearing the owners and GM speak about retooling, not rebuilding. Evidently, they want to squeeze another few play-off runs from the present core. Based on what we’re seeing on the field now, we have reason to question whether that can work. There are days I feel I’m looking at 1965 all over again. I remember what followed, and it wasn’t pretty.

    17. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 15th, 2012 | 2:34 pm

      @ Raf:
      So making the playoffs and having one of the best teams in the majors isn’t seriously contending?

      Do you mean a major contender the best that money can buy? because unlike most BB team owners the business of Baseball is all the Yankees know.. They have no other vested business interest outside of baseball other than horse racing and hotels in the Yankee LLC holdings. The core of this franchise $$ comes from baseball. That is why then need to contend year in and year out.. but its money that buys the contending for the Ca$hman! How else can you explain it? He was handed players like Jeter, Williams, Posada, Mo and Pettitte and then each year his pitching rotation he put together performed to less than sub par levels. Especially in the playoffs where it counts the most. It took nearly $500 million dollars of the Steins money in 2008 after they didnt make the playoffs to win a WS in 2009. and on top of it he has spent over 2.7 billion dollars in 14 years. What other professional BB team has gone to such lengths to win a WS and spend this kind of $$? Look no GM’s job is easy and I get that. No one is perfect and heaven knows this GM is not even close to perfect, but at some point enough is enough. If Warren Buffet ran his company the way Cashman runs the Yankee, well, Berkshire Hathaway would be a penny stock instead of $100,000 a share! What’s going to happen in 2014 when the new CBA takes effect and Cashman cant spend the money on players?.. Will that be his excuse for not contending and making the playoffs? This might be the last year we see October baseball for this franchise for some time. That is of course they make the playoffs.

    18. Greg H.
      September 15th, 2012 | 3:03 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      What other professional BB team has gone to such lengths to win a WS and spend this kind of $$?

      The Dodgers, the Phillies, the Mets, the Marlins, the Red Sox and the Angels.

    19. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 15th, 2012 | 3:20 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      The Dodgers, the Phillies, the Mets, the Marlins, the Red Sox and the Angels.

      Really?.. Last I looked, they havent spent $2.7 billion dollars!

      But the Sox did win two WS to our one.. What does that say!!..

    20. Greg H.
      September 15th, 2012 | 4:02 pm

      It says that a lot of teams are spending a lot of money, with very mixed results. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but buying a World Series is clearly not as easy some make it sound.

      After the run of championships we experienced from 1996-2000, many Yankees fans adopted the expectation of winning the WS every year. In fact, what those teams did is unlikely to happen ever again with expanded playoffs and more teams involved. Making the playoffs every year, however, is a good metric, and we have made the playoffs more than any other team in the majors over the time frame referenced here.

    21. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 4:38 pm

      Raf wrote:

      So making the playoffs and having one of the best teams in the majors isn’t seriously contending?

      Do you think that this team can make a serious run at the title this year? Do you think they can win 3 consecutive series to get there? They can’t even win 3 consecutive games.

      Are they good enough to make the playoffs? Yeah, I can see them backing in. Will they get bounced in the first round? Probably. Just because a team makes the playoffs does not make them a true contender.

    22. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 15th, 2012 | 4:48 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but buying a World Series is clearly not as easy some make it sound.

      No arguement from me on this.
      .Greg H. wrote:

      Yankees fans adopted the expectation of winning the WS every year

      True, but shouldnt it be the plan to win each year?.. Not saying its going to happen but the plan every year should be to win. But i will point out, its not only Yankee fans that have adpoted this mentality.. The Yankees themselves have adpoted this same expectation with their spending. I am not disagreeing with your opinion, but Yankeeland has used this $$ spending as a means or an excuse too. And Cashman is a big reason why they continued. No GM with unlimited $$ resources is going to win every year.. Its foolish to kid yourself into thinking they can. Lots of varibles come into play, however, as any good industry captain you have to plan and navigate the course you plot.. Where has Cashman taken us with his plan? Since 2005, we have seen only an increase to payroll. Build a team with aging players and made trades that are low impact and also hope to GOD your not outbidded in the FA market for some nice additions needed. That is what I see as the plan. It’s an election year, its time for a change dont you think?.. Good post and some excellent points!

    23. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 4:52 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      Seriously, I get the frustration, but expecting the Yankees to field the best team at every position and have scores of young turks foaming at the bit in AAA to take over should someone happen to be hitting .249 or not “pitching like an ace”? Come on, that seems a little entitled.

      I certainly don’t expect to have “scores” of young turks foaming at the bit in AAA. My point is that we don’t have ANYONE in AAA capable of stepping up to spell guys who need rest like Swisher or Granderson or to replace guys who are ineffective like Andrew Jones.

    24. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 4:59 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      It says that a lot of teams are spending a lot of money, with very mixed results. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but buying a World Series is clearly not as easy some make it sound.

      Hey, I’ve always argued with the Yankee haters that money can’t buy you a World Series title. If it were true, the Yankees would be winning every year, hands down. The point is, you need a good mix of free agents, successful trades, and good prospects. It takes good management not just alot of money.

    25. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 15th, 2012 | 5:08 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      The point is, you need a good mix of free agents, successful trades, and good prospects. It takes good management not just alot of money.

      YOU SIR ARE A GENIUS!!.. Well said

    26. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 5:11 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      You like the Orioles? That team, with its brilliant ownership and management is enjoying it’s first winning season since 1997. And as pointed out, this is a major anomaly, not only in one-run games, but in run differential as well. But hey, there’s still time to jump over to the Blue Jays while they still suck. I’ll stay with the Yanks for better or worse.

      I don’t believe I said that I like the Orioles. In fact, I kinda hate them right now. Please don’t presume that I’m a fair weather fan. I’ve been a Yankee fan for 35 years for better or worse just like you.

    27. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 5:12 pm

      @ FakeGeneMichaels:
      Thank you but I’m not a SIR …

    28. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 15th, 2012 | 5:20 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Thank you but I’m not a SIR

      ok..Then You my friend are a GENIUS regardless of your gender..

    29. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 5:26 pm

      @ FakeGeneMichaels:
      LOL :) thanks …

    30. LMJ229
      September 15th, 2012 | 5:29 pm

      Nice to see Nova back and having a strong outing. Let’s hope his return, along with Andy Petitte, can energize this team.

    31. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 15th, 2012 | 5:36 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Nice to see Nova back and having a strong outing. Let’s hope his return, along with Andy Petitte, can energize this team

      This team is only breaking my heart.. Its painful to watch them struggle. Like so many Yankee fans, I fear our hopes of Pettitte to help may be too late.. But I have faith.. I dont want to be the Redsox of 2011.. If we lose fine, but damm it go down fighting hard.

    32. The Sandman
      September 15th, 2012 | 8:39 pm

      I’ll go on the record amd say the Yankees win AL east and at least win ALDS beyond that who knows. I am not impressed with Baltimore they are obviously more lucky than good (see negative run differential), and the Rays don’t have the bats. Hopefully the Yankees go deep into October make Steve look foolish. Go Yankees!!!

    33. Evan3457
      September 15th, 2012 | 9:24 pm

      The Sandman wrote:

      Hopefully the Yankees go deep into October make Steve look foolish. Go Yankees!!!

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    34. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:51 am

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Do you mean a major contender the best that money can buy?

      Since players don’t play for free, sure let’s go with that.

      It took nearly $500 million dollars of the Steins money in 2008 after they didnt make the playoffs to win a WS in 2009. and on top of it he has spent over 2.7 billion dollars in 14 years.

      No he didn’t, and you and Steve repeating it over and over doesn’t make it true.

      What’s going to happen in 2014 when the new CBA takes effect and Cashman cant spend the money on players?

      Worry about that bridge when we come to it. It’s 2012 now and a lot can happen between now and then.

    35. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:54 am

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      But the Sox did win two WS to our one.. What does that say!!..

      The Sox are going to miss the playoffs for 3 straight years… What does that say!!..

    36. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:58 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Do you think that this team can make a serious run at the title this year? Do you think they can win 3 consecutive series to get there? They can’t even win 3 consecutive games.

      Sure, anything can happen in a short series

    37. Greg H.
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:58 am

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      That is what I see as the plan. It’s an election year, its time for a change dont you think?..

      That’s the best argument I’ve heard so far. WHo would you seek to fill the position of Yanks GM?

    38. Evan3457
      September 16th, 2012 | 1:06 am

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:
      Since 2005, we have seen only an increase to payroll.

      Actually, that’s not true at all. The Yankees’ payroll has not significantly increased since 2005.

      2005: $206 million
      2006: $195 million
      2007: $190 million
      2008: $210 million
      2009: $201 million
      2010: $206 million
      2011: $202 million
      2012: $198 million

      The Yankees’ payroll has been wobbling back and forth between $190 million and $210 million every year for the past eight seasons, with this year’s payroll being in the lower half of that range.

    39. Evan3457
      September 16th, 2012 | 1:08 am

      Ultimate source on the info above is AP.

    40. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 1:42 am

      @ Evan3457:
      That can’t be right, the Yanks spent half a billion dollars after the 2008 season… :P

    41. Evan3457
      September 16th, 2012 | 7:30 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      And, they are 11-16 in their last 27 games. That’s 4 weeks of terrible baseball.

      …and, they’ve actually won 6 of their last 10, 4 of their last 7 against “good” teams. For what it’s worth.

      Shhh. Don’t tell anyone.

    42. September 16th, 2012 | 8:13 am

      Raf wrote:

      @ Evan3457:
      That can’t be right, the Yanks spent half a billion dollars after the 2008 season…

      They did. In December of 2008, Cashman spent $423.5 million to acquire free agents Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett.

      Granted, the money was to paid out over a period of years.

    43. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 10:10 am

      @ Steve L.:
      $423.5m is not half a billion, and you’ve conceded that point by adding the qualifier “Granted, the money was to paid out over a period of years.” ;) Heck, Burnett isn’t even on the team anymore.

      And despite the Yanks spending “half a billion dollars” The Yankees payroll went down;
      2008: $210 million
      2009: $201 million

      Why is this even a talking point? The same players were there in 2010 & 2011, and the Yankees didn’t win it all.

    44. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:30 am

      Raf wrote:

      No he didn’t, and you and Steve repeating it over and over doesn’t make it true.

      HUH?.. might I suggest you have a look at COTTS baseball contracts website to see who is correct. We are talking about 14 years of signing players.. $2.7 billion dollars thru the 2012 season..
      Raf wrote:

      Worry about that bridge when we come to it. It’s 2012 now and a lot can happen between now and then

      So you ok with paying a GM 3mm a year not to plan ahead? Thats scary of any Yankee fan to think of. But since its not your money paying his salary, your entitled to your opinions. But in my opinion, this why Yankee fans are fustrated with Cashman. There is no direction, nor plan for the future in place. If what he assembles this year doesnt work out, he will go out and spend more money to make it try and work. That’s a losing business model. But I wonder, if both Yankee season ticket holder’s and front office brass will tolerate such cavalier notion further. But something tells me once the revenue decline, merchandise sales fall, YES Network subscribers cancel, Cashman’s faith will already be sealed.

    45. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:34 am

      Raf wrote:

      The Sox are going to miss the playoffs for 3 straight years… What does that say!!..

      That says they failed to read the bumper sticker pasted on Cashmans back: WARNING DO NOT FOLLOW ME, I AM LOST!…

      But let me point out that

    46. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:38 am

      sorry about that Raf .. But let me point out if the Yankees didnt offer Tex 1.250mm more per year on his contract, Tex would be a Redsox and not a Yankee and then who is to say what could or couldnt happen. One has to think No AGON and the money spent on him would have been used to sign some pitching.

    47. LMJ229
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:39 am

      @ Raf:
      Raf, you know the Yankees spent a ton of money to buy players they needed after the 2008 season. You know they were multiple year contracts that don’t get paid out over one year. If you prefer the word “committed” over “spent” that’s fine, its just a matter of semantics. But the point is still valid.

      By the way, in 2000 the Yankees payroll was only $107M and, as I recall, they won the world series that year. By 2005, their salary had nearly doubled to $208M.

      The point is (because I know you are going to ask) Cashman fills holes by buying players. With the bottom-line minded Hal at the helm and the new CBA requirements, he won’t be able to do that going forward.

      And yes, I know, you are going to argue that this is the Yankees MO – that the Yankees have always bought their players. Can’t argue that. But the point is, the rules have changed. Their MO will have to change also.

    48. LMJ229
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:41 am

      The Sandman wrote:

      I’ll go on the record amd say the Yankees win AL east and at least win ALDS beyond that who knows. I am not impressed with Baltimore they are obviously more lucky than good (see negative run differential), and the Rays don’t have the bats. Hopefully the Yankees go deep into October make Steve look foolish. Go Yankees!!!

      That’s what I love about this site – whenever I am feeling bummed about the way the Yankees are playing I can always come here and find the optimists. Thanks Sandman.

    49. LMJ229
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:45 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      And, they’ve actually won 6 of their last 10, 4 of their last 7 against “good” teams. For what it’s worth.
      Shhh. Don’t tell anyone.

      LOL, thanks to you too Evan (see my last post). :)

    50. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:49 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Actually, that’s not true at all. The Yankees’ payroll has not significantly increased since 2005.2005: $206 million
      2006: $195 million
      2007: $190 million
      2008: $210 million
      2009: $201 million
      2010: $206 million
      2011: $202 million
      2012: $198 million

      Actually, it is true..http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=146

      and what even scarier if you have a look at what he has signed thru 2017!..https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpQLwiiQL4kzEzLhsUqVjLQ&output=html

      ■2012: $209,792,900

      ■2011: $207,047,964

      ■2010: $213,359,389

      ■2009: $201,449,189

      ■2008: $209,081,577

      ■2007: $189,639,045

      ■2006: $194,663,079
      ■2005: $208,306,817
      ■2004: $184,193,950
      ■2003: $152,749,814
      ■2002: $125,928,583
      ■2001: $112,287,143
      ■2000: $107,588,459

    51. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:53 am

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      HUH?.. might I suggest you have a look at COTTS baseball contracts website to see who is correct. We are talking about 14 years of signing players.. $2.7 billion dollars thru the 2012 season..

      Ah, I see. I didn’t realize you were talking about drafted, nondrafted and international free agents, along with “regular” free agents.

      I’ll concede that point…

      So you ok with paying a GM 3mm a year not to plan ahead? Thats scary of any Yankee fan to think of.

      It’s amusing to see that you seem think that there is no plan. If I can see it, you can see it, I’m sure the GM, who is involved in day to day affairs of the club can see it.

      If what he assembles this year doesnt work out, he will go out and spend more money to make it try and work.

      As Evan pointed out, that isn’t true. Again, the payroll;

      2005: $206 million
      2006: $195 million
      2007: $190 million
      2008: $210 million
      2009: $201 million
      2010: $206 million
      2011: $202 million
      2012: $198 million

    52. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:54 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      obviously more lucky than good (see negative run differential),

      That is true.. Negative run differential plays an important role.. I score more runs that you, I win more games.. but perhaps if we turn the coin over and see that maybe its when they lose they lose big and when they win they win closer games because of their bullpen.. We can look at the glass half empty or half full.. I guess it depends if your a Yankee fan or O’s fan which way you will look at it. I look at it as the O;s are legit period..

    53. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:01 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      That says they failed to read the bumper sticker pasted on Cashmans back: WARNING DO NOT FOLLOW ME, I AM LOST!…

      Lot of dumb GM’s out there then.

      The Yankees are paying a premium for being an organization that has had their ballclub make the playoffs almost every year since 1995.

      But let me point out if the Yankees didnt offer Tex 1.250mm more per year on his contract, Tex would be a Redsox and not a Yankee and then who is to say what could or couldnt happen. One has to think No AGON and the money spent on him would have been used to sign some pitching.

      The Red Sox didn’t and the Yanks did. Same with the Rodriguez contract from Texas. And even if Teix signed with the Red Sox, well, you have Swisher at first and a RF’er to be named later (Nady was also there at the time, so you can switch positions), or a someone swapped out (be it at 1b or RF) who could handle the job.

    54. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:03 pm

      Raf wrote:

      As Evan pointed out, that isn’t true. Again, the payroll;

      see the link above in my last post..lets not spend all day on this..cotts baseball contract shows these figues as the opening day line up..
      ■2012: $209,792,900
      ■2011: $207,047,964
      ■2010: $213,359,389
      ■2009: $201,449,189
      ■2008: $209,081,577
      ■2007: $189,639,045
      ■2006: $194,663,079
      ■2005: $208,306,817
      ■2004: $184,193,950
      ■2003: $152,749,814
      ■2002: $125,928,583
      ■2001: $112,287,143
      ■2000: $107,588,459

    55. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:11 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      By the way, in 2000 the Yankees payroll was only $107M and, as I recall, they won the world series that year. By 2005, their salary had nearly doubled to $208M.

      Highest paid 2000
      1. Belle (BAL) $12,868,670
      2. Williams (NYY) $12,357,143
      3. Cone (NYY) $12,000,000
      4. Martinez (BOS) $11,500,000
      5. Vaughn (ANA) $11,166,667
      6. Jeter (NYY) $10,000,000
      7. Mondesi (TOR) $10,000,000
      8. Alvarez (TBD) $9,000,000
      9. Palmeiro (TEX) $8,620,921
      10. Rodriguez (TEX) $8,600,000 (Ivan, not Alex)

      Highest paid, 2005
      1. Rodriguez (NYY) $26,000,000
      2. Ramirez (BOS) $22,000,000
      3. Jeter (NYY) $19,600,000
      4. Mussina (NYY) $19,000,000
      5. Sosa (BAL) $17,000,000
      6. Johnson (NYY) $16,000,000
      7. Brown (NYY) $15,714,286
      8. Park (TEX) $15,000,000
      9. Schilling (BOS) $14,500,000
      10. Giambi (NYY) $13,428,571

      That doesn’t mean as much as you think it does ;)

      FWIW, that Rodriguez’s contract was courtesy of the Rangers (who picked up a good chunk of the contract when they traded Rodriguez). Kevin Brown, the Dodgers. Johnson, the Diamondbacks.

    56. Evan3457
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:21 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:

      ■2012: $209,792,900
      ■2011: $207,047,964
      ■2010: $213,359,389
      ■2009: $201,449,189
      ■2008: $209,081,577
      ■2007: $189,639,045
      ■2006: $194,663,079
      ■2005: $208,306,817

      No, sorry, it’s not true. Even Cot’s figures show the payroll hasn’t “only seen an increase”. It’s bounced up and down and even in Cot’s figures, the 2012 is $1.5 million higher than that of 2005, after peaking in 2010.

      The massive increase came between 2000 and 2005, when George was still in charge of things.

    57. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:23 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      As Evan pointed out, that isn’t true. Again, the payroll;
      see the link above in my last post..lets not spend all day on this..cotts baseball contract shows these figues as the opening day line up..
      ■2012: $209,792,900
      ■2011: $207,047,964
      ■2010: $213,359,389
      ■2009: $201,449,189
      ■2008: $209,081,577
      ■2007: $189,639,045
      ■2006: $194,663,079
      ■2005: $208,306,817
      ■2004: $184,193,950
      ■2003: $152,749,814
      ■2002: $125,928,583
      ■2001: $112,287,143
      ■2000: $107,588,459

      The payroll increased and decreased. Evan was and is right.

    58. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 1:06 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      That’s the best argument I’ve heard so far. WHo would you seek to fill the position of Yanks GM?

      It would make sense to look in house first simply because you would want someone who understands how the Yankees operate.

      First choice, if Gene Michaels wants it, give it to him. I would think he would be a strong candidate with the Yankee brass. if not..

      Split the duties of the GM and let Damon Oppenhiemer and Mark Newman handle the ship. Both are well respected in MLB. Both have been with the Yankee organization for a long time. Both hold high positions now with Drafting and Playe developement for the Yankees.

      If the Yankees look outside, my short list I like Jim Flemings, Dan Jennings and Mike Radcliff comes to mind. Simply because to the budget contrains with the New CBA to take effect and their talent for evaluating players. All three are about developing and promoting players from within. And giving them the $$ to deal with FA to help provide the needs you dont have now, I would feel comfortable with their choice they would sign.

    59. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 1:12 pm

      Raf wrote:

      By the way, in 2000 the Yankees payroll was only $107M and, as I recall, they won the world series that year. By 2005, their salary had nearly doubled to $208M.

      YUP they did, but your not suggesting that Cashman built that team are you?.. Because last I looked, the core of that team looks alot like the 98 and 99 team that Gene Michaels and Bob Watson built. :)

    60. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 2:18 pm

      Raf wrote:

      And even if Teix signed with the Red Sox, well, you have Swisher at first and a RF’er to be named later (Nady was also there at the time, so you can switch positions),

      Raf, What was the plan to replace Giambi? You had 7 years to do something about that..Did the Yankees groom a player in the minors to replace him?
      Also, apparently Cashman didnt think Nick could handle the Job, how else can you explain the need to spend 22+mm for Teix? Again, it only proves that Cashman had the $$ resources to cover up his mistake. We can argue this point all day. If your comfortable with the way Cashman runs his business, then fine. I am not looking to change your mind nor your opinion about him.. I am just pointing out some of the fustration some Yankee fans have in the way he operates the entire business. From Player developement, to replacing players at the ML level with players in the minors to his FA signings.. I get it, its been the Yankees MO for a very long time to conduct business as usual. but now with the new CBA going into effect, what’s the plan now?.. The business model of yesterday is broken.. The sooner the Yankee front office and its fans come to grips with it the better the chances they will be able to rebuild.. If you or other Yankee fans are ok with Cashman steering this franchise with making the decisions, the only thing I can say is $189mm dollars max out the Credit Card. I for one, would rather have a fiscal minded and prudent operater who relies less on FA signing and evaluates the teams need thru drafting based on the years they need to replace a player and trading in charge. Also, for what its worth, I am a Yankee fan.. been one since 1962.. I am sure you lived thru some dark years with this franchise as I have. Its safe to say, neither one of us wants to relive them again. Only question to be answered, in Cashman should we trust?.

    61. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 7:09 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      By the way, in 2000 the Yankees payroll was only $107M and, as I recall, they won the world series that year. By 2005, their salary had nearly doubled to $208M.
      YUP they did, but your not suggesting that Cashman built that team are you?.. Because last I looked, the core of that team looks alot like the 98 and 99 team that Gene Michaels and Bob Watson built.

      That was LMJ229.

      No one’s suggesting that Cashman built that team, but it’s a bit disingenuous to overlook the contributions of guys like Knoblauch, El Duque, Clemens, etc who were added after Michaels and Watson left. Guys like Jeter, Rivera and Pettitte were retained as well, signing long term deals.

    62. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 7:50 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Raf, What was the plan to replace Giambi? You had 7 years to do something about that..Did the Yankees groom a player in the minors to replace him?

      Aaron Boone was set to be the starting 3b in 2004. How did that work out? Bubba Crosby was going to be the starting CF in 2005. What happened there? 2006 had Matsui & Sheffield manning the corner OF spots. Didn’t quite work out that way.

      Before Giambi was signed, they had a guy ready to play 1b in Nick Johnson. They also could’ve retained Tino Martinez, they could’ve traded for another 1b. Before they retained Scott Brosius, they had a guy ready to play 3b in Mike Lowell. Robinson Cano was in the system and they signed Tony Womack anyway.

      Also, apparently Cashman didnt think Nick could handle the Job, how else can you explain the need to spend 22+mm for Teix?

      The Yankees had the reigning Cy Young award winner in 1977. They went and signed Goose Gossage anyway.

      The Yankees had Swisher, and they added Teix anyway. No one saw that coming. It was a foregone conclusion that he was going to either the Sox or the O’s.

      The Yanks had a full rotation in Clemens, Duque, Wells, Pettitte & Mussina, with Ted Lilly in the cut. They went out and added Jeff Weaver anyway. They had a rotation of Cone, Pettitte, Wells, Irabu & Ramiro Mendoza in 1998, they went and added Orlando Hernandez.

      There were the previous mentioned examples of Cano, Lowell & Johnson.

      I am just pointing out some of the fustration some Yankee fans have in the way he operates the entire business. From Player developement, to replacing players at the ML level with players in the minors to his FA signings..

      The problem I have with fans is that they want it both ways. Meanwhile, 2/5 of the rotation is homegrown, as is 1/2 the infield, and 2/7 of the bullpen (if you want to count Rivera, 3/7)

      Personally, I think Montero should’ve gotten more of a shot, but looking at the way the Yankees are, I knew that wasn’t going to happen. I can only imagine how Yankees fans would be whining after Austin Jackson’s season last year. For better or for worse, the Yanks aren’t too keen about certain prospects, for reasons I can’t quite understand. Kennedy should’ve gotten more of a shot. Joba should still be in the rotation. But it didn’t happen. That’s just the way the Yankees work. Remember Sterling Hitchcock’s comments a while back?

      “The 22-year-old Hitchcock was quoted in The New York Daily News last Saturday as saying he was frustrated because the Yankees trumpet their youngsters and then send them to the minor leagues. Hitchcock said that Baltimore’s Ben McDonald, a five-year player, would “probably be in Double A this year, Triple A at the highest,” if he were with the Yankees and he also accused the team of giving prospects six or seven starts before bringing in ‘another Dave LaPoint.’”

      This was back in 1994. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

      Speaking of which, the Yanks finished 1992 76-86. Out comes the checkbook, Wade Boggs is signed to play 3b. Jimmy Key is signed for the rotation (missing out on Cone and Maddux). Spike Owen is signed to play short. Jim Abbott couldn’t come to a deal with the Angels, so he was traded to the Yanks for prospects. O’Neill was traded to the Yanks for Roberto Kelly, and they were STILL interested in adding Barry Bonds to the mix. This while Danny Tartabull was still there…

      Same as it ever was.

    63. OldYanksFan
      September 16th, 2012 | 7:54 pm

      @ Raf:
      Russell Martin:
      Last 28 games: .281, .352, .469, 0.821
      Last 14 games: .355, .444, .613, 1.057

    64. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 8:07 pm

      @ OldYanksFan:
      Good to see you around these parts!

      Personally, I have no issues with Martin. I thought that he was a temporary stopgap for Montero. Martin the primary, Montero the backup with Cervelli the 3rd catcher and Posada the emergency catcher. That was last year.

      With Montero, I figured he wasn’t in the plans when it took so long for him to be called up. After seeing so many years of Posada behind the plate, and with Cervelli’s overrated defensive rep, I’m a bit surprised that Montero didn’t get more time behind the plate. Especially when keeping in mind Martin’s alleged overusage in LA.

      But that’s all water under the bridge. :)

    65. rankdog
      September 20th, 2012 | 8:15 am

      The Yankees have only had two times in their history where they had four consecutive losing seasons. The last one running from 89 to 92 covered almost all my high school years. The Yankees were a laughingstock. Instead of pissing over salaries vrs wins, I was stuck with a handful of Kevin Maas rookie cards and lots of bottom of the division finishes. I got to watch Andy Hawkins lose a no hitter. I watched the team trade away a legend in Ricky Henderson and for him to go on that same year and win ALCS MVP and win a world series with Jose Canseco A’s. I was 4 when the had one their last World Series and rightfully wondered if they would do it again in my lifetime. They went from 81 to 95 before making the playoffs again. From 78 to 96 (18 years) from winning a world series. Needless to say it was quite dour being a Yankee fan.

      Times have changed. We now have have 20 straight winning seasons under our belt. 16 (hopefully going on 17) playoff appearances. 7 World Series appearances. 5 world series titles. We have had the opportunity to witness some of the greatest Yankees ever during this run. We have had some the best players in the game wearing our laundry.

      Yet it appears that simply is not enough. Somehow the OP has presented this as abject failure and everyone falls in line to argue for or against various points. We are all witnesses to one of the greatest eras in Yankee baseball. Like or not Brian Cashman has been involved in that process. He deserves some of the credit for the team’s success as well as some of the blame for their failures.

      At the end of the day you can keep the Maas rookie cards, I will take “Cashman’s Yankees”. You can bet your house on that.

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