• This Is Cashman’s Yankes. So, Really, Why Should Yankees Fans Expect Anything From Their Team Going Forward?

    Posted by on September 15th, 2012 · Comments (65)

    The New York Yankees are 24-29 in their last 53 games. That’s 8 weeks of ugly baseball.

    And, they are 11-16 in their last 27 games. That’s 4 weeks of terrible baseball.

    There are now just 18 games left to the Yankees 2012 season. Why should we expect this team to play any better than they have in their last 27 or 53 games? When was the last time there was a sign that this Yankees team was any good? Back in mid-July?

    And, let’s not forget that this Yankees team opened the season by going 21-21 in their first 42 games.

    At this point, the only way the Yankees make the post-season this year is if they manage to back into it. And, even if they do, they’re not advancing very far – at all.

    In October 2005, Brian Cashman was given full autonomy on running the Yankees. How have they done since that time? Let’s review:

    2006: Yankees get fat winning a bunch of games against the Rays and Orioles, who suck, and finish first because there’s no competition in the A.L. East. And, they get whacked by the Tigers in the ALDS.

    2007: Yankees finish second in the A.L. East and make the post-season as a wildcard team. And, they get stunned by the Indians in the ALDS.

    2008: Yankees continue to go backwards – this time finishing third in the A.L. East and they do not make the playoffs.

    2009: Cashman goes out and spends a half-billion dollars to get Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira in their prime. Yanks finish first in the A.L. East – getting fat against the Jays and O’s who are terrible. In the post-season, thanks to Anthony Galea’s magic potion, A-Rod carries the Yankees to a World Series victory.

    2010: Yankees finish second in the A.L. East and take the wildcard. They beat the Twins in the ALDS – the only franchise that a “Cashman” Yankees team has ever beaten in the ALDS – and lose the ALCS to the Rangers. And, if not for an 8th inning meltdown by the Rangers in Game 1 of the ALCS, Texas would have swept the Yankees.

    2011: Yankees finish first in the AL. East – thanks to getting fat against the Orioles who suck and the Blue Jays who are mediocre. And, they fold up like a cheap suit against the Tigers in the ALDS.

    2012: To date, the Yankees blow a 10-game lead in the A.L. East that was mostly derived from one mid-season hot streak where they got fat in inter-league play and find themselves fighting for their lives, trying to get any playoff sport, with just 18 games left in the season.

    It’s the same old thing, year after year, the last seven years when it comes to “Cashman’s Yankees” sans that one season (2009) where he broke the bank and got a lift from the Canadian Dr. Feelgood. They win a lot of regular season games – which is an illusion because it’s bolstered by his team getting super fat when playing crappy teams – and then get exposed when they have to face a good team in the post-season.

    And, at this point, it’s so freakin’ predictable that it’s beyond boring…and it’s annoying.

    Please, somebody, make it stop.

    Comments on This Is Cashman’s Yankes. So, Really, Why Should Yankees Fans Expect Anything From Their Team Going Forward?

    1. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:53 am

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      HUH?.. might I suggest you have a look at COTTS baseball contracts website to see who is correct. We are talking about 14 years of signing players.. $2.7 billion dollars thru the 2012 season..

      Ah, I see. I didn’t realize you were talking about drafted, nondrafted and international free agents, along with “regular” free agents.

      I’ll concede that point…

      So you ok with paying a GM 3mm a year not to plan ahead? Thats scary of any Yankee fan to think of.

      It’s amusing to see that you seem think that there is no plan. If I can see it, you can see it, I’m sure the GM, who is involved in day to day affairs of the club can see it.

      If what he assembles this year doesnt work out, he will go out and spend more money to make it try and work.

      As Evan pointed out, that isn’t true. Again, the payroll;

      2005: $206 million
      2006: $195 million
      2007: $190 million
      2008: $210 million
      2009: $201 million
      2010: $206 million
      2011: $202 million
      2012: $198 million

    2. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 11:54 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      obviously more lucky than good (see negative run differential),

      That is true.. Negative run differential plays an important role.. I score more runs that you, I win more games.. but perhaps if we turn the coin over and see that maybe its when they lose they lose big and when they win they win closer games because of their bullpen.. We can look at the glass half empty or half full.. I guess it depends if your a Yankee fan or O’s fan which way you will look at it. I look at it as the O;s are legit period..

    3. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:01 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      That says they failed to read the bumper sticker pasted on Cashmans back: WARNING DO NOT FOLLOW ME, I AM LOST!…

      Lot of dumb GM’s out there then.

      The Yankees are paying a premium for being an organization that has had their ballclub make the playoffs almost every year since 1995.

      But let me point out if the Yankees didnt offer Tex 1.250mm more per year on his contract, Tex would be a Redsox and not a Yankee and then who is to say what could or couldnt happen. One has to think No AGON and the money spent on him would have been used to sign some pitching.

      The Red Sox didn’t and the Yanks did. Same with the Rodriguez contract from Texas. And even if Teix signed with the Red Sox, well, you have Swisher at first and a RF’er to be named later (Nady was also there at the time, so you can switch positions), or a someone swapped out (be it at 1b or RF) who could handle the job.

    4. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:03 pm

      Raf wrote:

      As Evan pointed out, that isn’t true. Again, the payroll;

      see the link above in my last post..lets not spend all day on this..cotts baseball contract shows these figues as the opening day line up..
      ■2012: $209,792,900
      ■2011: $207,047,964
      ■2010: $213,359,389
      ■2009: $201,449,189
      ■2008: $209,081,577
      ■2007: $189,639,045
      ■2006: $194,663,079
      ■2005: $208,306,817
      ■2004: $184,193,950
      ■2003: $152,749,814
      ■2002: $125,928,583
      ■2001: $112,287,143
      ■2000: $107,588,459

    5. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:11 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      By the way, in 2000 the Yankees payroll was only $107M and, as I recall, they won the world series that year. By 2005, their salary had nearly doubled to $208M.

      Highest paid 2000
      1. Belle (BAL) $12,868,670
      2. Williams (NYY) $12,357,143
      3. Cone (NYY) $12,000,000
      4. Martinez (BOS) $11,500,000
      5. Vaughn (ANA) $11,166,667
      6. Jeter (NYY) $10,000,000
      7. Mondesi (TOR) $10,000,000
      8. Alvarez (TBD) $9,000,000
      9. Palmeiro (TEX) $8,620,921
      10. Rodriguez (TEX) $8,600,000 (Ivan, not Alex)

      Highest paid, 2005
      1. Rodriguez (NYY) $26,000,000
      2. Ramirez (BOS) $22,000,000
      3. Jeter (NYY) $19,600,000
      4. Mussina (NYY) $19,000,000
      5. Sosa (BAL) $17,000,000
      6. Johnson (NYY) $16,000,000
      7. Brown (NYY) $15,714,286
      8. Park (TEX) $15,000,000
      9. Schilling (BOS) $14,500,000
      10. Giambi (NYY) $13,428,571

      That doesn’t mean as much as you think it does 😉

      FWIW, that Rodriguez’s contract was courtesy of the Rangers (who picked up a good chunk of the contract when they traded Rodriguez). Kevin Brown, the Dodgers. Johnson, the Diamondbacks.

    6. Evan3457
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:21 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:

      ■2012: $209,792,900
      ■2011: $207,047,964
      ■2010: $213,359,389
      ■2009: $201,449,189
      ■2008: $209,081,577
      ■2007: $189,639,045
      ■2006: $194,663,079
      ■2005: $208,306,817

      No, sorry, it’s not true. Even Cot’s figures show the payroll hasn’t “only seen an increase”. It’s bounced up and down and even in Cot’s figures, the 2012 is $1.5 million higher than that of 2005, after peaking in 2010.

      The massive increase came between 2000 and 2005, when George was still in charge of things.

    7. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 12:23 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      As Evan pointed out, that isn’t true. Again, the payroll;
      see the link above in my last post..lets not spend all day on this..cotts baseball contract shows these figues as the opening day line up..
      ■2012: $209,792,900
      ■2011: $207,047,964
      ■2010: $213,359,389
      ■2009: $201,449,189
      ■2008: $209,081,577
      ■2007: $189,639,045
      ■2006: $194,663,079
      ■2005: $208,306,817
      ■2004: $184,193,950
      ■2003: $152,749,814
      ■2002: $125,928,583
      ■2001: $112,287,143
      ■2000: $107,588,459

      The payroll increased and decreased. Evan was and is right.

    8. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 1:06 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      That’s the best argument I’ve heard so far. WHo would you seek to fill the position of Yanks GM?

      It would make sense to look in house first simply because you would want someone who understands how the Yankees operate.

      First choice, if Gene Michaels wants it, give it to him. I would think he would be a strong candidate with the Yankee brass. if not..

      Split the duties of the GM and let Damon Oppenhiemer and Mark Newman handle the ship. Both are well respected in MLB. Both have been with the Yankee organization for a long time. Both hold high positions now with Drafting and Playe developement for the Yankees.

      If the Yankees look outside, my short list I like Jim Flemings, Dan Jennings and Mike Radcliff comes to mind. Simply because to the budget contrains with the New CBA to take effect and their talent for evaluating players. All three are about developing and promoting players from within. And giving them the $$ to deal with FA to help provide the needs you dont have now, I would feel comfortable with their choice they would sign.

    9. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 1:12 pm

      Raf wrote:

      By the way, in 2000 the Yankees payroll was only $107M and, as I recall, they won the world series that year. By 2005, their salary had nearly doubled to $208M.

      YUP they did, but your not suggesting that Cashman built that team are you?.. Because last I looked, the core of that team looks alot like the 98 and 99 team that Gene Michaels and Bob Watson built. 🙂

    10. FakeGeneMichaels
      September 16th, 2012 | 2:18 pm

      Raf wrote:

      And even if Teix signed with the Red Sox, well, you have Swisher at first and a RF’er to be named later (Nady was also there at the time, so you can switch positions),

      Raf, What was the plan to replace Giambi? You had 7 years to do something about that..Did the Yankees groom a player in the minors to replace him?
      Also, apparently Cashman didnt think Nick could handle the Job, how else can you explain the need to spend 22+mm for Teix? Again, it only proves that Cashman had the $$ resources to cover up his mistake. We can argue this point all day. If your comfortable with the way Cashman runs his business, then fine. I am not looking to change your mind nor your opinion about him.. I am just pointing out some of the fustration some Yankee fans have in the way he operates the entire business. From Player developement, to replacing players at the ML level with players in the minors to his FA signings.. I get it, its been the Yankees MO for a very long time to conduct business as usual. but now with the new CBA going into effect, what’s the plan now?.. The business model of yesterday is broken.. The sooner the Yankee front office and its fans come to grips with it the better the chances they will be able to rebuild.. If you or other Yankee fans are ok with Cashman steering this franchise with making the decisions, the only thing I can say is $189mm dollars max out the Credit Card. I for one, would rather have a fiscal minded and prudent operater who relies less on FA signing and evaluates the teams need thru drafting based on the years they need to replace a player and trading in charge. Also, for what its worth, I am a Yankee fan.. been one since 1962.. I am sure you lived thru some dark years with this franchise as I have. Its safe to say, neither one of us wants to relive them again. Only question to be answered, in Cashman should we trust?.

    11. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 7:09 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      By the way, in 2000 the Yankees payroll was only $107M and, as I recall, they won the world series that year. By 2005, their salary had nearly doubled to $208M.
      YUP they did, but your not suggesting that Cashman built that team are you?.. Because last I looked, the core of that team looks alot like the 98 and 99 team that Gene Michaels and Bob Watson built.

      That was LMJ229.

      No one’s suggesting that Cashman built that team, but it’s a bit disingenuous to overlook the contributions of guys like Knoblauch, El Duque, Clemens, etc who were added after Michaels and Watson left. Guys like Jeter, Rivera and Pettitte were retained as well, signing long term deals.

    12. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 7:50 pm

      FakeGeneMichaels wrote:

      Raf, What was the plan to replace Giambi? You had 7 years to do something about that..Did the Yankees groom a player in the minors to replace him?

      Aaron Boone was set to be the starting 3b in 2004. How did that work out? Bubba Crosby was going to be the starting CF in 2005. What happened there? 2006 had Matsui & Sheffield manning the corner OF spots. Didn’t quite work out that way.

      Before Giambi was signed, they had a guy ready to play 1b in Nick Johnson. They also could’ve retained Tino Martinez, they could’ve traded for another 1b. Before they retained Scott Brosius, they had a guy ready to play 3b in Mike Lowell. Robinson Cano was in the system and they signed Tony Womack anyway.

      Also, apparently Cashman didnt think Nick could handle the Job, how else can you explain the need to spend 22+mm for Teix?

      The Yankees had the reigning Cy Young award winner in 1977. They went and signed Goose Gossage anyway.

      The Yankees had Swisher, and they added Teix anyway. No one saw that coming. It was a foregone conclusion that he was going to either the Sox or the O’s.

      The Yanks had a full rotation in Clemens, Duque, Wells, Pettitte & Mussina, with Ted Lilly in the cut. They went out and added Jeff Weaver anyway. They had a rotation of Cone, Pettitte, Wells, Irabu & Ramiro Mendoza in 1998, they went and added Orlando Hernandez.

      There were the previous mentioned examples of Cano, Lowell & Johnson.

      I am just pointing out some of the fustration some Yankee fans have in the way he operates the entire business. From Player developement, to replacing players at the ML level with players in the minors to his FA signings..

      The problem I have with fans is that they want it both ways. Meanwhile, 2/5 of the rotation is homegrown, as is 1/2 the infield, and 2/7 of the bullpen (if you want to count Rivera, 3/7)

      Personally, I think Montero should’ve gotten more of a shot, but looking at the way the Yankees are, I knew that wasn’t going to happen. I can only imagine how Yankees fans would be whining after Austin Jackson’s season last year. For better or for worse, the Yanks aren’t too keen about certain prospects, for reasons I can’t quite understand. Kennedy should’ve gotten more of a shot. Joba should still be in the rotation. But it didn’t happen. That’s just the way the Yankees work. Remember Sterling Hitchcock’s comments a while back?

      “The 22-year-old Hitchcock was quoted in The New York Daily News last Saturday as saying he was frustrated because the Yankees trumpet their youngsters and then send them to the minor leagues. Hitchcock said that Baltimore’s Ben McDonald, a five-year player, would “probably be in Double A this year, Triple A at the highest,” if he were with the Yankees and he also accused the team of giving prospects six or seven starts before bringing in ‘another Dave LaPoint.'”

      This was back in 1994. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

      Speaking of which, the Yanks finished 1992 76-86. Out comes the checkbook, Wade Boggs is signed to play 3b. Jimmy Key is signed for the rotation (missing out on Cone and Maddux). Spike Owen is signed to play short. Jim Abbott couldn’t come to a deal with the Angels, so he was traded to the Yanks for prospects. O’Neill was traded to the Yanks for Roberto Kelly, and they were STILL interested in adding Barry Bonds to the mix. This while Danny Tartabull was still there…

      Same as it ever was.

    13. OldYanksFan
      September 16th, 2012 | 7:54 pm

      @ Raf:
      Russell Martin:
      Last 28 games: .281, .352, .469, 0.821
      Last 14 games: .355, .444, .613, 1.057

    14. Raf
      September 16th, 2012 | 8:07 pm

      @ OldYanksFan:
      Good to see you around these parts!

      Personally, I have no issues with Martin. I thought that he was a temporary stopgap for Montero. Martin the primary, Montero the backup with Cervelli the 3rd catcher and Posada the emergency catcher. That was last year.

      With Montero, I figured he wasn’t in the plans when it took so long for him to be called up. After seeing so many years of Posada behind the plate, and with Cervelli’s overrated defensive rep, I’m a bit surprised that Montero didn’t get more time behind the plate. Especially when keeping in mind Martin’s alleged overusage in LA.

      But that’s all water under the bridge. 🙂

    15. rankdog
      September 20th, 2012 | 8:15 am

      The Yankees have only had two times in their history where they had four consecutive losing seasons. The last one running from 89 to 92 covered almost all my high school years. The Yankees were a laughingstock. Instead of pissing over salaries vrs wins, I was stuck with a handful of Kevin Maas rookie cards and lots of bottom of the division finishes. I got to watch Andy Hawkins lose a no hitter. I watched the team trade away a legend in Ricky Henderson and for him to go on that same year and win ALCS MVP and win a world series with Jose Canseco A’s. I was 4 when the had one their last World Series and rightfully wondered if they would do it again in my lifetime. They went from 81 to 95 before making the playoffs again. From 78 to 96 (18 years) from winning a world series. Needless to say it was quite dour being a Yankee fan.

      Times have changed. We now have have 20 straight winning seasons under our belt. 16 (hopefully going on 17) playoff appearances. 7 World Series appearances. 5 world series titles. We have had the opportunity to witness some of the greatest Yankees ever during this run. We have had some the best players in the game wearing our laundry.

      Yet it appears that simply is not enough. Somehow the OP has presented this as abject failure and everyone falls in line to argue for or against various points. We are all witnesses to one of the greatest eras in Yankee baseball. Like or not Brian Cashman has been involved in that process. He deserves some of the credit for the team’s success as well as some of the blame for their failures.

      At the end of the day you can keep the Maas rookie cards, I will take “Cashman’s Yankees”. You can bet your house on that.

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