• Mega Marlins-Blue Jays Trade

    Posted by on November 13th, 2012 · Comments (22)

    Via MLB.com -

    When the Marlins hired Mike Redmond as manager last week, it opened a pipeline with the Blue Jays.

    The two organizations didn’t waste much time tapping into each other’s resources.

    On Tuesday night, the Marlins were reportedly working on a blockbuster trade with Toronto, sending away five established veterans, including Josh Johnson and Jose Reyes, while shedding nearly $160 million in payroll commitments.

    Heading to Toronto would be Johnson, Reyes, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonifacio and John Buck.

    In return, the Marlins would receive shortstop Yunel Escobar, second baseman Adeiny Hechavarria, right-hander Henderson Alvarez, left-hander Justin Nicolino and catcher Jeff Mathis.

    Miami also would acquire outfield prospect Jake Marisnick, who played for Redmond at Class A Dunedin, and right-hander Anthony DeSclafani.

    The trade was not officially announced as of early Tuesday night. But Johnson and other players were informed that they were being dealt.

    The Red Sox, last season, swung a deal to shed tons of payroll. And, now, the Marlins are doing the same. But, the Yankees will probably be saddled with the contracts of A-Rod, Teixeira and Sabathia until they expire. Why is that?

    Unless, of course, this deal is being made so that the Marlins can clear payroll in order to take on A-Rod’s contract from the Yankees?  Oh, to dream…

    Comments on Mega Marlins-Blue Jays Trade

    1. Raf
      November 14th, 2012 | 12:52 am

      Unlike the Red Sox and Marlins, the Yankees still want to compete.

      FWIW,

      NYY: 95-67, 1st place AL East, best record in AL, playoffs since 2009.
      BOS: 69-93, last place AL East, no playoffs since 2009.
      FLA: 69-93, last place NL East, no playoffs since 2003.

    2. KPOcala
      November 14th, 2012 | 2:27 am

      Hard to believe that Cashman didn’t pry Josh Johnson away from the Marlins. Apparently the Jays didn’t exactly give up a whole lot of talent for all the Marlins. Bad day at Blue Rock…

    3. KPOcala
      November 14th, 2012 | 2:38 am

      BTW, this is EXACTLY what George used to go crazy over, revenue sharing so that the Lorias could live off the gold flake. And what about “Bud LIGHT” invoking the “best interest of baseball” clause here? Between the salary cap and these so-called ‘competitive balance’ rules that baseball has shrewdly worked in (I rather think of it as ‘collusion’), I can see the day where my time following baseball will equal my time following football….

    4. BOHAN
      November 14th, 2012 | 5:28 am

      If I’m Cashman I’m calling up the Marlins today and asking them “What will it take to get Stanton?” If they’re looking to throw away players I’d be willing to give them a few players for Stanton.

    5. November 14th, 2012 | 11:21 am

      Stanton is cheap. He’s not going anywhere soon.

      This does make life interesting for the Yankees.
      Boston should be better without Valentine.
      Baltimore and Tampa Bay are already good.
      And, now, Toronto is very much improved.
      They Yankees will have their hands full playing in the AL East next year.

    6. Corey
      November 14th, 2012 | 1:56 pm

      Keep dreaming…A-Rod has a no trade clause, why would he approve a trade down there now?

    7. KPOcala
      November 14th, 2012 | 2:09 pm

      @ Corey:
      Well, he grew there, I would imagine that he’d have (small though it may be) a fan base that would love him more than NY. He also has a mansion down there, with South Beach around the corner…Just sayin……..

    8. MJ Recanati
      November 14th, 2012 | 2:28 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Baltimore and Tampa Bay are already good.

      Tampa’s good but not without their flaws (horrendous lineup with no sign of improvement).

      Baltimore? I need to see them do it again before I’m convinced. Odds do not favor another season where their record in extra innings and one-run ballgames is that good. Like fumbles and interceptions in football, these tend to be unpredictable blips that are not sustainable.

    9. MJ Recanati
      November 14th, 2012 | 2:30 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      Well, he grew there, I would imagine that he’d have (small though it may be) a fan base that would love him more than NY. He also has a mansion down there, with South Beach around the corner…Just sayin……..

      He’s rich enough to where he can fly in a private jet anytime he wants to spend a night in his mansion. He’s not approving a trade to go play for a horrible franchise.

      Moreover, the Marlins didn’t just offload hundreds of millions in obligations just to take on one player’s salary in the decline phase of his career.

    10. MJ Recanati
      November 14th, 2012 | 2:31 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      Hard to believe that Cashman didn’t pry Josh Johnson away from the Marlins. Apparently the Jays didn’t exactly give up a whole lot of talent for all the Marlins. Bad day at Blue Rock…

      It’s not what the Jays gave up, it’s what they were willing to take on. The Yankees have no interest in adding to their payroll, especially not for a #4 starter like Buehrle being paid like a #2, nor for a shortstop that’s about to make $22M/year when he’s worth only $15M/year.

    11. Greg H.
      November 14th, 2012 | 4:29 pm

      We’ll see how JJ does in the AL. He’s the only piece that fits for the Yanks anyhow, and Miami had to put him in the deal to get them to take on all the other $$. I’d settle for Hiroki and/or Andy.

    12. BOHAN
      November 14th, 2012 | 5:06 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Stanton is cheap. He’s not going anywhere soon.

      I know its a slim chance they’ll move him but it can’t hurt to call and see if they are at all interested in moving him and if the Yankees have to pieces to get him.

    13. BOHAN
      November 14th, 2012 | 5:14 pm

      And also from the looks of Stanton’s tweet after he heard the news (“Alright, I’m pissed off!!! Plain & Simple”) he is not happy about it at all. If I’m him I’m looking to get out of there ASAP

    14. Evan3457
      November 14th, 2012 | 6:30 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Unlike the Red Sox and Marlins, the Yankees still want to compete.
      FWIW,
      NYY: 95-67, 1st place AL East, best record in AL, playoffs since 2009.
      BOS: 69-93, last place AL East, no playoffs since 2009.
      FLA: 69-93, last place NL East, no playoffs since 2003.

      Oh, that was too easy, Raf.

    15. KPOcala
      November 14th, 2012 | 8:08 pm

      @ MJ Recanati: More of vent. Infuriating watching this box that Hank built. And even worse if ownership is serious about the cap. Because if so, then they really are nothing more than Loria, in spirit. I hate to pontificate about what the ultra-rich do with their money. But, I’ve been a fan for over 40 years, and what I’m interested in is a team that can compete for the trophy 80% of the time. When I don’t see that commitment, then I have to find other things to do with my money and time. Those two “things” do have a limit…. And barring a trade that allows the Yanks to use some of that money to leverage a big deal I can’t see the them going very far into the playoffs for some years. If George was alive, I’d have to believe that something big is coming, and “fiscal austerity” was a negotiating tool. Hopefully they come up with something in between….

    16. 77yankees
      November 14th, 2012 | 9:35 pm

      This deal improves Toronto certainly, but before everyone “crowns them” as Denny Green once said, consider:

      Can Josh Johnson make the transition to the AL & just as importantly, stay healthy? Can Ricky Romero & Sergio Santos rebound & regain their previous form? Will Jose Bautista reclaim his MVP form, or was his pre-injury .240 average a prelude to a decline at 31?

      Also, remember how Omar Vizquel criticized the Jays’ discipline & fundamentals last season? Will the infusion of talent from Miami resolve that? If they expect Jose Reyes to be their veteran leadership they’ll be severely disappointed.

    17. MJ Recanati
      November 14th, 2012 | 10:07 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      And even worse if ownership is serious about the cap. Because if so, then they really are nothing more than Loria, in spirit.

      I hope you’re kidding because the Steinbrenner sons are nothing like Jeff Loria. If they were, the payroll would be under $20M, not $200M.

      KPOcala wrote:

      If George was alive, I’d have to believe that something big is coming, and “fiscal austerity” was a negotiating tool.

      Romanticizing George Steinbrenner is silly and pointless. All too often, “something big” ended up being a complete waste of time and money.

    18. MJ Recanati
      November 14th, 2012 | 10:12 pm

      77yankees wrote:

      If they expect Jose Reyes to be their veteran leadership they’ll be severely disappointed.

      Agreed, and to that point, I had a very hearty guffaw at Jim Bowden’s expense when he wrote on ESPN.com that “Reyes will immediately improve the Blue Jays at the top of the order, on the field and in the dugout and clubhouse, where his high energy and enthusiasm is priceless.”

      Reyes will be fine in the lineup but I’m far more dubious of his contributions in the clubhouse where, by all accounts, he’s seen as a half-asser.

      Might I also posit that playing 90 games on astroturf (81 at home + 9 in Tampa) will do nothing good for Reyes’s famously balky knees and hamstrings?

    19. 77yankees
      November 14th, 2012 | 10:32 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Agreed, and to that point, I had a very hearty guffaw at Jim Bowden’s expense when he wrote on ESPN.com that “Reyes will immediately improve the Blue Jays at the top of the order, on the field and in the dugout and clubhouse, where his high energy and enthusiasm is priceless.”

      Including or not including those Rob Gronkowski-like spikes of Reyes’ glove at SS?

    20. BOHAN
      November 14th, 2012 | 11:17 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Romanticizing George Steinbrenner is silly and pointless. All too often, “something big” ended up being a complete waste of time and money.

      AMEN

    21. Raf
      November 15th, 2012 | 1:44 am

      77yankees wrote:

      This deal improves Toronto certainly, but before everyone “crowns them”

      Remember when everyone thought the Red Sox were going to win it all in 2011? And people were laughing at the Yanks for going with Garcia and Colon? And the O’s and Jays and Rays were supposed to be strong contenders? How’d that work out?

      Exactly ;)

    22. KPOcala
      November 16th, 2012 | 12:23 am

      @ MJ Recanati:
      MJ, the two sentences that you cherry-picked for laughs were preceded by a sentence that started my post, “Just a vent”. If you enjoy the torching that much, at least do it when I’m being serious. Just sayin…….

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