• Conroy Sums Up State Of The Yankees

    Posted by on December 9th, 2012 · Comments (24)

    Kate Conroy, of Lady Loves Pinstripes, shared this in a Bleacher Report feature:

    The bottom line here is the Bronx Bombers now have holes at 3B, DH, catcher, right field and the bench.

    Add that to a 38-year old shortstop, a 43-year old closer, a 41-year old starter and an ace all coming back from recent surgeries. Oh don’t forget a farm system that is rotten at the top.

    Well I don’t know about you, but that does not spell C-H-A-M-P-I-O-N-S-H-I-P to me.

    Look, I get that the Yankees spend a lot more money compared to the other 29 teams, but saving a buck by not filling vital starting positions with legitimate players is extreme. Not to mention it is punishing Yankee fans for the big contracts they had nothing to do with.

    Fans better be ready to kiss October baseball in the Bronx goodbye; and Hal Steinbrenner should be ready to see lots of empty seats if something doesn’t give.

    I think a lot of Yankees fans feel the same way as Kate (above). Of course, the Yankees – and Brian Cashman – still have another 9 weeks or so to get their roster in order. But, when you factor what’s out there, and this whole Yankees Fiscal Austerity Cliff that’s coming, you have to wonder how Cashman is going to address all these needs.

    Kelly Shoppach, Adam Kennedy, Matt Diaz and Luke Scott, come on down? Now, that’s not exciting.

    In any event, what’s your take on the current state of the Yankees? And, what do you think will be the impact downstream? Do you agree with Kate, or, have some other opinion?

    Comments on Conroy Sums Up State Of The Yankees

    1. Evan3457
      December 9th, 2012 | 11:40 am

      Belcher Report.

      Say no more.

    2. McMillan
      December 9th, 2012 | 2:40 pm

      First three paragraphs and the fifth are right on. The organization is not going to compete for a “C-H-A-M-P-I-O-N-S-H-I-P” in its current state or downstream without the payroll advantage it has had in the past if Hal Steinbrenner does not make changes at the executive level. Of course, he might allow for spending to return to its pre-luxury tax threshold amounts after 2014.

    3. LMJ229
      December 9th, 2012 | 3:55 pm

      I honestly don’t know what the Yankees are thinking. By all accounts, they loved Russell Martin. Offered him a $30M/3yr contract last year. So they would have been willing to pay him $10M this year and next but let him walk for $8M/yr. They wanted to bring back Chavez but watched him go to the Diamondbacks for a lousy $3M which is literally pocket change to the Yankees. Now in their desperation they are willing to overpay Youkilis by at least that amount – a guy that is despised by both players and fans alike. Ibanez will be the next to go if they don’t get their act together.

      The last few years Cashman has had the luxury of having aging but productive veterans wait on his offer. It seems the players have grown weary of waiting this year. I don’t think Cashman even got to the point of making offers to Martin, Chavez, Ibanez, and Ichiro. He can’t expect the world to wait on him.

    4. Evan3457
      December 9th, 2012 | 4:23 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      Of course, he might allow for spending to return to its pre-luxury tax threshold amounts after 2014.

      This.

    5. Evan3457
      December 9th, 2012 | 4:23 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      Of course, he might allow for spending to return to its pre-luxury tax threshold amounts after 2014.

      Pretty much this.

    6. Raf
      December 9th, 2012 | 4:59 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Now in their desperation they are willing to overpay Youkilis by at least that amount – a guy that is despised by both players and fans alike.

      You think they’re desperate? Really? If the Yanks are desperate, they’re going about it a funny way…

      Maybe they’re desperate the same way they were desperate after losing out on Cliff Lee? How’d that turn out? :P

      Yanks don’t care if a player is despised by fans and players. Certainly not after some of the characters that have played here over the years, and from a rivalry perspective, certainly not after having guys like Boggs and Clemens in pinstripes.

    7. McMillan
      December 9th, 2012 | 5:39 pm

      Raf wrote:

      You think they’re desperate? Really? If the Yanks are desperate, they’re going about it a funny way…

      There certainly is something funny about it: “People should still be leery of us and afraid of us as the stalking horse… ” – Cashman, Nov. 30, 2012; “Beggars can’t be choosers…” – Cashman, Dec. 5, 2012; “Teams and agents have lined up to take advantage of the Yankees’ depleted roster, hoping to force Cashman into a panic move… Cashman declined to meet with the media, which is a rarity… ” – The New York Times, Dec. 6, 2012.

    8. McMillan
      December 9th, 2012 | 6:03 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      I don’t think Cashman even got to the point of making offers to Martin, Chavez, Ibanez, and Ichiro.

      He didn’t. He was too busy re-signing his 38 yr.-old no. 2 starter and 41 yr.-old no. 3 starter to 1-yr. contracts so as to maintain stability in his rotation, and his 44 yr.-old closer. There were no offers made to either Martin or Chavez for that reason. But, like he said after the two signed elsewhere, “So far, what’s transpired, I wouldn’t do… In terms of what’s happened this particular week, those opportunities, I’m comfortable with. That’s all.”

    9. Raf
      December 9th, 2012 | 6:07 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      so as to maintain stability in his rotation

      lol at you still trying to push that concept :D

    10. Evan3457
      December 9th, 2012 | 10:35 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      LMJ229 wrote:
      I don’t think Cashman even got to the point of making offers to Martin, Chavez, Ibanez, and Ichiro.
      He didn’t. He was too busy re-signing his 38 yr.-old no. 2 starter and 41 yr.-old no. 3 starter to 1-yr. contracts so as to maintain stability in his rotation, and his 44 yr.-old closer. There were no offers made to either Martin or Chavez for that reason. But, like he said after the two signed elsewhere, “So far, what’s transpired, I wouldn’t do… In terms of what’s happened this particular week, those opportunities, I’m comfortable with. That’s all.”

      Or: he re-signed a starter who was 5th in the AL in WAR, and who had a 146 ERA+ and a K/BB ratio better than 3-1, both of whom have proven they can pitch competently in the glare of the New York media, in Yankee Stadium and even in the post-season, and the greatest closer of all time, who, even at the age of 44, will likely be better than most closers, if his knee injury hasn’t killed him motion.

      You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to.

    11. Greg H.
      December 10th, 2012 | 7:27 am

      Note to all Melodramatic Sripts for this winter: The Yanks are going to compete in 2013.
      LMJ229 wrote:

      Now in their desperation they are willing to overpay Youkilis by at least that amount – a guy that is despised by both players and fans alike.

      Who hates this guy? I would not mind the least to sign this guy and Ichiro and try to win the WS with the oldest team in history. WTF not?

      Why would anyone ever write any team off in December, let alone the Yankees? Just, never bury the Yanks or the Red Sox until at least mid-September and I don’t care what Toronto does. I’m more skeptical about the Dodgers than I am about the Yanks.

    12. Greg H.
      December 10th, 2012 | 7:29 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Or: he re-signed a starter who was 5th in the AL in WAR, and who had a 146 ERA+ and a K/BB ratio better than 3-1, both of whom have proven they can pitch competently in the glare of the New York media, in Yankee Stadium and even in the post-season, and the greatest closer of all time, who, even at the age of 44, will likely be better than most closers, if his knee injury hasn’t killed him motion.

      How dare you, Evan3457 for introducing this level of reason.

    13. McMillan
      December 10th, 2012 | 11:34 am

      Raf wrote:

      lol at you still trying to push that concept

      lol at those that consider it a “concept.”

    14. LMJ229
      December 11th, 2012 | 12:03 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Or: he re-signed a starter who was 5th in the AL in WAR, and who had a 146 ERA+ and a K/BB ratio better than 3-1, both of whom have proven they can pitch competently in the glare of the New York media, in Yankee Stadium and even in the post-season, and the greatest closer of all time, who, even at the age of 44, will likely be better than most closers, if his knee injury hasn’t killed him motion.
      You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to.

      I’m certainly not going to argue with him re-signing Kuroda, Petitte and Mariano. But those moves should not have precluded him from making offers to Martin, Chavez, Ibanez and Ichiro. We all know Petitte and Mariano weren’t going anywhere. Does Cashman not have the ability to multi-task? Can he only concentrate on one deal at a time?

    15. LMJ229
      December 11th, 2012 | 12:23 am

      Greg H. wrote:

      I would not mind the least to sign this guy and Ichiro and try to win the WS with the oldest team in history.

      Well if Cashman has his way, I’m sure you will get your wish. But you do realize that relying on (very) old players is a risky proposition. If it were the Red Sox going into the season with a 38-year old no. 2 starter and a 41-year old no. 3 starter and a 44-year old closer and a 39-year old right fielder and a 41-year old DH and a 39-year old shortstop would you feel just as optimistic?
      Greg H. wrote:

      Why would anyone ever write any team off in December, let alone the Yankees?

      Where did I write the Yankees off? I do believe the team will be competitive in 2013. With their age and their existing holes, they might not make the playoffs, but I believe they will be competitive.

    16. LMJ229
      December 11th, 2012 | 12:27 am

      Raf wrote:

      You think they’re desperate? Really? If the Yanks are desperate, they’re going about it a funny way…

      If you don’t think Cashman is desperate to find a 3B then you haven’t been paying attention. Just because they haven’t made a move to fill this glaring hole does not make them any less desperate.

    17. Raf
      December 11th, 2012 | 1:04 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      If you don’t think Cashman is desperate to find a 3B then you haven’t been paying attention.

      I’ve been paying attention. Chances are we probably have different ideas as to what constitutes desperate. Offering a contract to Youklis is not desperate. Aaron Boone blew out his knee in late January, the Yanks traded for Rodriguez in February. All the while Tyler Houston and Mike Lamb were invited to camp. Gary Sheffield offered to play 3B. Charlie Hayes was selected by the Rockies in the expansion draft in November. The Yanks signed Wade Boggs to play 3B in December.

      We’re still in mid December. There is plenty of time to find someone to play 3B before Opening Day, 2013.

    18. December 11th, 2012 | 7:52 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Does Cashman not have the ability to multi-task? Can he only concentrate on one deal at a time?

      Well, I think he was banging Louise Meanwell when he was signing Kei Igawa…

    19. MJ Recanati
      December 11th, 2012 | 12:12 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Does Cashman not have the ability to multi-task? Can he only concentrate on one deal at a time?

      You’re assuming that Cashman is the one calling the shots. Don’t we already know that Cashman didn’t get approval from senior management to offer deals to Chavez/Martin? If so, your argument fails.

    20. McMillan
      December 11th, 2012 | 12:26 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Does Cashman not have the ability to multi-task? Can he only concentrate on one deal at a time?

      Steve L. wrote:

      Well, I think he was banging Louise Meanwell when he was signing Kei Igawa…

      A woman with multiple personalities, multiple email addresses, etc.

    21. tricko62
      December 11th, 2012 | 7:20 pm

      Well at least we can say she is multi talented and a multi tasker.

    22. McMillan
      November 1st, 2013 | 3:44 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      [Cashman] was too busy re-signing his 38 yr.-old no. 2 starter and 41 yr.-old no. 3 starter to 1-yr. contracts so as to maintain stability in his rotation, and his 44 yr.-old closer. There were no offers made to either Martin or Chavez for that reason…

      Raf wrote:

      @ McMillan:
      lol at you still trying to push that concept [of stability in the starting rotation].

      LOL – Yeah, some concept…

      Oct., 2013:

      “Brian Cashman worried Hiroki Kuroda will leave for Japan…”

      http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2013/11/yankees_will_be_busy_in_offseason_could_pursue_big_name_free_agents.html

      @ Evan3457

    23. McMillan
      November 1st, 2013 | 4:10 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Or: [Cashman] re-signed a starter who was 5th in the AL in WAR, and who had a 146 ERA+ and a K/BB ratio better than 3-1, both of whom have proven they can pitch competently in the glare of the New York media, in Yankee Stadium and even in the post-season, and the greatest closer of all time, who, even at the age of 44, will likely be better than most closers…

      You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to.

      You say, “Ku-ro-da,” I say, “No established no. 2 starter in the 2014 New York Yankees rotation with Kuroda contemplating pitching in either Los Angeles or Japan, instead of signing a one-year contract to pitch in New York as the no. 2 starter for the third consecutive year at age 39, and for a fourth-place team.”

      You say, “U-e-hara,” I say, “Boston Red Sox 2013 World Champion and Postseason Record-Tying closer signed as a free agent in the 2012-13 offseason by a 2nd-year G.M., and under contract for the 2014 season for only $5 million.”

      You say, “id-i-ot,” I say, “Cash-man.”

    24. McMillan
      November 1st, 2013 | 4:46 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      @ LMJ229:
      You’re assuming that [the G.M. of 16 years] is the one calling the shots… If [not], your argument fails.

      Excellent point: one should not have assumed a sixteen-year G.M. earning $3 million-per-year, was making decisions about offering, or not offering, a known commodity and an average catcher, a two-year contract.

      Levine or Trost probably overruled Cashman on a Martin signing, or a one-year contract offer to Pierzynski, and decided to go with Stewart and Cervelli catching for a $230 million team instead to save money and with the knowledge of McCann becoming a free agent in 2014.

      Cashman will probably be calling the shots on the $15 million-per-year long-term contract negotiations for McCann instead…

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