• Top 30 Retired Batters, Career WAR, Not In The HOF, To Bat In 6+ All-Star Games

    Posted by on January 11th, 2013 · Comments (8)

    Still with me? Here is the list:

    Rk Player WAR/pos From To Age G PA R H 2B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
    1 Barry Bonds 158.1 1986 2007 21-42 2986 12606 2227 2935 601 762 1996 2558 1539 514 .298 .444 .607
    2 Ken Griffey 79.2 1989 2010 19-40 2671 11304 1662 2781 524 630 1836 1312 1779 184 .284 .370 .538
    3 Pete Rose 76.7 1963 1986 22-45 3562 15890 2165 4256 746 160 1314 1566 1143 198 .303 .375 .409
    4 Bobby Grich 67.3 1970 1986 21-37 2008 8220 1033 1833 320 224 864 1087 1278 104 .266 .371 .424
    5 Tim Raines 66.2 1979 2002 19-42 2502 10359 1571 2605 430 170 980 1330 966 808 .294 .385 .425
    6 Edgar Martinez 64.4 1987 2004 24-41 2055 8674 1219 2247 514 309 1261 1283 1202 49 .312 .418 .515
    7 Ivan Rodriguez 63.7 1991 2011 19-39 2543 10270 1354 2844 572 311 1332 513 1474 127 .296 .334 .464
    8 Craig Biggio 62.1 1988 2007 22-41 2850 12504 1844 3060 668 291 1175 1160 1753 414 .281 .363 .433
    9 Reggie Smith 60.8 1966 1982 21-37 1987 8051 1123 2020 363 314 1092 890 1030 137 .287 .366 .489
    10 Ken Boyer 58.7 1955 1969 24-38 2034 8272 1104 2143 318 282 1141 713 1017 105 .287 .349 .462
    11 Mark McGwire 58.7 1986 2001 22-37 1874 7660 1167 1626 252 583 1414 1317 1596 12 .263 .394 .588
    12 Mike Piazza 56.1 1992 2007 23-38 1912 7745 1048 2127 344 427 1335 759 1113 17 .308 .377 .545
    13 Gary Sheffield 56.0 1988 2009 19-40 2576 10947 1636 2689 467 509 1676 1475 1171 253 .292 .393 .514
    14 Dick Allen 55.6 1963 1977 21-35 1749 7315 1099 1848 320 351 1119 894 1556 133 .292 .378 .534
    15 Sammy Sosa 54.8 1989 2007 20-38 2354 9896 1475 2408 379 609 1667 929 2306 234 .273 .344 .534
    16 Joe Torre 54.2 1960 1977 19-36 2209 8802 996 2342 344 252 1185 779 1094 23 .297 .365 .452
    17 Will Clark 53.2 1986 2000 22-36 1976 8283 1186 2176 440 284 1205 937 1190 67 .303 .384 .497
    18 Minnie Minoso 47.5 1949 1980 23-54 1835 7712 1136 1963 336 186 1023 814 584 205 .298 .389 .459
    19 Fred Lynn 46.7 1974 1990 22-38 1969 7923 1063 1960 388 306 1111 857 1116 72 .283 .360 .484
    20 Jim Fregosi 45.5 1961 1978 19-36 1902 7403 844 1726 264 151 706 715 1097 76 .265 .338 .398
    21 Dale Murphy 42.6 1976 1993 20-37 2180 9041 1197 2111 350 398 1266 986 1748 161 .265 .346 .469
    22 Vern Stephens 41.8 1941 1955 20-34 1720 7241 1001 1859 307 247 1174 692 685 25 .286 .355 .460
    23 Rocky Colavito 41.7 1955 1968 21-34 1841 7559 971 1730 283 374 1159 951 880 19 .266 .359 .489
    24 Bill Freehan 41.3 1961 1976 19-34 1774 6900 706 1591 241 200 758 626 753 24 .262 .340 .412
    25 Gil Hodges 40.7 1943 1963 19-39 2072 8102 1105 1921 295 370 1274 943 1137 63 .273 .359 .487
    26 Al Oliver 40.2 1968 1985 21-38 2368 9778 1189 2743 529 219 1326 535 756 84 .303 .344 .451
    27 Don Mattingly 39.8 1982 1995 21-34 1785 7722 1007 2153 442 222 1099 588 444 14 .307 .358 .471
    28 Tony Oliva 39.7 1962 1976 23-37 1676 6880 870 1917 329 220 947 448 645 86 .304 .353 .476
    29 Darryl Strawberry 39.2 1983 1999 21-37 1583 6326 898 1401 256 335 1000 816 1352 221 .259 .357 .505
    30 Maury Wills 37.5 1959 1972 26-39 1942 8306 1067 2134 177 20 458 552 684 586 .281 .330 .331
    Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
    Generated 1/11/2013.

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    So, which ones should be in the Hall of Fame? And, why aren’t more people bitching about Bobby Grich falling off the ballot after his first year in 1992?

    Comments on Top 30 Retired Batters, Career WAR, Not In The HOF, To Bat In 6+ All-Star Games

    1. Evan3457
      January 12th, 2013 | 12:08 am

      Grich is a long-time sabrmetric favorite. Bill James was advocating for his being recognized as a great player in the old Baseball Abstracts.

      He’s a marginal Hall of Famer to me, but he’ll never be recognized as such, because:

      1) He wasn’t a high BAVG hitter
      2) He was a medium-power high-BB middle infielder, and thus plays against stereotype
      3) He wasn’t very fast but had outstanding range
      4) He played in an era when overall offensive numbers were pretty low, and so his WAR will look a lot better than his straight Triple Crown numbers, which are still decently impressive for a middle infielder.
      5) A lot of his seasons were cut short by injury (chronic bad back, among other things) and so he doesn’t have “Hall of Fame” seasons, except maybe 1979, and his career totals are on the short side as well.

      He’s probably one of the top 10 second basemen of all time. Maybe top 12.

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      Assuming Bonds, Rose, McGwire and Sosa are eliminated for “character” reasons, in my opinion, the Hall of Famers on that list are: Griffey, Raines, Pudge, Piazza, Biggio and Minoso. (Assuming Pudge and Piazza aren’t “outed”. For PED use, I mean.)

    2. January 12th, 2013 | 8:29 am

      The Pudge & Piazza thing will be interesting.

      Many suspect Piazza used. But, when you look at how Pudge’s body changed, twice, and the fact that he was part of that Texas crew, how can you not also assume about him?

    3. Raf
      January 12th, 2013 | 8:51 am

      Funny how the list breaks down to Barry Bonds, then everyone else :)

    4. KPOcala
      January 12th, 2013 | 6:28 pm

      This is what pisses me off so much about the Ped users/era. It takes away from the accomplishments of the clean, pressures the marginal player, and taints the entire game. And there are ways to look at the records and see the players who were either “for sure” using, and the ones most likely using later in their careers. Guys were coming into to camp having put on “20-40 pounds of muscle” in the off-season was given great press beginning in the late seventies. It was that the writers, stranger to gyms themselves , didn’t think about the implications.

    5. KPOcala
      January 12th, 2013 | 6:30 pm

      @ Steve L.:
      Funny how Pudge would put muscle on because ‘it helped his endurance during the season’, then after the manure hit the fan, used the same line as to why he reported into camp, having dropped 3 shirt sizes in a few months. Same with Sosa………….

    6. KPOcala
      January 12th, 2013 | 6:32 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      I can’t say about Piazza, since I don’t watch many NL games, but I’d bet ANYTHING that Pudge used them…..

    7. joebaseball
      January 14th, 2013 | 10:20 am

      Surprised Ted Simmons is not on the list. I think he qualifies, and may be HOF quality. Excluding players in the PED era, he has more career RBI than anybody on the list. More hits, doubles, RBI, and higher BA than any contemporary catcher. Led his team in RBI seven straight years, and batted over .300 in 8 seasons. 8-time all star.

    8. Raf
      January 14th, 2013 | 1:32 pm

      @ joebaseball:
      I think Simmons missed because of the ASG criteria; he may have been selected, but he didn’t get an at bat.

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