• Rafael Soriano Signs With Nats

    Posted by on January 15th, 2013 · Comments (31)

    Two year deal.

    Comments on Rafael Soriano Signs With Nats

    1. #15
      January 15th, 2013 | 3:26 pm

      The third year is a pipe dream. No way he closes out 120 games in 2 years.

      Boras overplayed his hand again.

    2. BOHAN
      January 15th, 2013 | 3:36 pm

      Peace out…… Don’t the Nats have 2 other capable closers already? in Storen and Clippard?

    3. Garcia
      January 15th, 2013 | 3:44 pm

      Best news all off-season.

    4. MJ Recanati
      January 15th, 2013 | 3:44 pm

      #15 wrote:

      Boras overplayed his hand again.

      Hard to see how Boras overplayed his hand when the Nationals just ponied up $28M guaranteed for a guy they just don’t need.

    5. MJ Recanati
      January 15th, 2013 | 3:47 pm

      BOHAN wrote:

      Peace out…… Don’t the Nats have 2 other capable closers already? in Storen and Clippard?

      Yep. Hard to see how $28M investment in Soriano makes sense when you have two cheaper (and talented) in-house candidates available. Wouldn’t that money have been better spent replacing Edwin Jackson’s spot in the rotation?

    6. MJ Recanati
      January 15th, 2013 | 3:57 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Wouldn’t that money have been better spent replacing Edwin Jackson’s spot in the rotation?

      Just remembered they signed Dan Haren so that’s sort of mitigated (lottery ticket, but still).

      Nevertheless, the point stands that $28M for a closer — especially when you have two already — is absurd.

    7. BOHAN
      January 15th, 2013 | 4:32 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Unless they use one of the younger guys in a trade for something else they might need… Idk what they might need tho

    8. MJ Recanati
      January 15th, 2013 | 4:54 pm

      BOHAN wrote:

      Unless they use one of the younger guys in a trade for something else they might need… Idk what they might need tho

      A buddy of mine and I were talking a minute ago…they could go Tyler Clippard/Denard Span/Ross Detwiler for Justin Upton. If the owner is willing to add Upton’s salary together with Soriano’s then they could trot out a team without a natural leadoff hitter but with the best OF in baseball, two-thirds of which would be unbelievably athletic.

    9. January 15th, 2013 | 5:51 pm

      When Soriano does his first untuck, is Harper going to tell him that’s a clown move?

    10. Corey
      January 15th, 2013 | 6:23 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      they could go Tyler Clippard/Denard Span/Ross Detwiler for Justin Upton

      Not enough, IMO.

      2 years of Clippard, 2 years of Detwiler and 1 year of Span, who they don’t neeed since they have a million outfielders already. That package isn’t worth a helluva lot, and if that gets it done then shame on the Yanks. They could put a better package together than that easily.

    11. Raf
      January 15th, 2013 | 6:25 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      #15 wrote:
      Boras overplayed his hand again.
      Hard to see how Boras overplayed his hand when the Nationals just ponied up $28M guaranteed for a guy they just don’t need.

      Especially considering he came from a team that signed him when they didn’t need him. ;)

      I guess Clippard’s trade bait, unless the Nats believe in having a 7th-8th-9th inning guy :P

      Even though it has been a while since it happened, I wonder how much of this was Storen not closing out game 5 last year?

    12. Corey
      January 15th, 2013 | 6:25 pm

      Also with detwiler..he’s not even in their rotation. He’ll start the year in the bullpen, especially if they decide to sign Javy Vasquez.

    13. Corey
      January 15th, 2013 | 6:26 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Even though it has been a while since it happened, I wonder how much of this was Storen not closing out game 5 last year?

      I’d be a lot of it. I could see Boras reminding them of that every chance he has.

      Say what you will about Boras, that guy gets the job done. Period.

    14. Corey
      January 15th, 2013 | 6:27 pm

      Corey wrote:

      I’d be a lot

      I’d bet a lot***

    15. Evan3457
      January 15th, 2013 | 9:14 pm

      Garcia wrote:

      Best news all off-season.

      Yep. Stays out of the AL. Yanks get their 1st round pick.

    16. Evan3457
      January 15th, 2013 | 9:15 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Garcia wrote:
      Best news all off-season.
      Yep. Stays out of the AL. Yanks get their 1st round pick.

      Ummm…sorry. Sandwich pick.

    17. #15
      January 16th, 2013 | 6:49 am

      Per ESPN…
      Soriano opted out of the last season of a three-year contract with the Yankees in October, taking a $1.5 million buyout. He would have been paid $14 million had he remained for the final season of the deal.

      So, the “net” of his free agency was 1 year at 14 million for 2014 and an unattainable option for 2015.

    18. Corey
      January 16th, 2013 | 9:20 am

      @ #15:
      And the 1.5 million buy out

    19. MJ Recanati
      January 16th, 2013 | 10:18 am

      #15 wrote:

      Per ESPN…
      Soriano opted out of the last season of a three-year contract with the Yankees in October, taking a $1.5 million buyout. He would have been paid $14 million had he remained for the final season of the deal.So, the “net” of his free agency was 1 year at 14 million for 2014 and an unattainable option for 2015.

      Again, I’m not following your logic here. He traded 1Y/$14M for 2Y/$29.5M ($28M from Nats plus $1.5M buyout). How is $29.5M not better than $14M? How did Boras steer his client wrong? He accelerated free agency by one year and got his client another above-market deal.

      Whether the 2015 option is likely to vest or not is neither relevant nor something we can predict at the present time. He got more money and more years by opting out.

    20. Greg H.
      January 16th, 2013 | 12:09 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Yep. And the Yanks played it well also. Got their draft pick instead of Soriano for one more year.

    21. MJ Recanati
      January 16th, 2013 | 12:49 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      And the Yanks played it well also. Got their draft pick instead of Soriano for one more year.

      Absolutely. The Yankees correctly (for once) made a qualifying offer in order to get a draft pick out of the deal.

    22. MJ Recanati
      January 16th, 2013 | 12:57 pm

      Corey wrote:

      2 years of Clippard, 2 years of Detwiler and 1 year of Span

      Your math is off. Clippard and Detwiler are both controlled through 2015 (3 years) and Span is controlled through 2014 (2 years).

      As far as not being enough, it’s more than what Seattle was giving up in the deal Upton rejected. Walker is a prospect with upside but nevertehless likely to repeat Double-A. The two bullpen arms are fungible. Nick Franklin has value as a second baseman but is blocked in Seattle. Three major leaguers (two of whom are still arbitration players not likely to cost more than a few million between them) and maybe a prospect in A-ball is worth more than two bullpen arms, a lottery ticket and a guy that needs to be moved because he’s got no future in Seattle.

    23. Greg H.
      January 16th, 2013 | 3:24 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      I sure hope that the Yanks are in on this guy. Gardner, Nova and two bullpen arms? His bat would solve a lot of issues for the lineup this year.

    24. MJ Recanati
      January 16th, 2013 | 3:38 pm

      @ Greg H.:
      I’d give them Gardner, Nova, two bullpen arms and a high-ceiling guy from the lower farm. I’d love to have Upton for the next three years.

    25. January 16th, 2013 | 3:57 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Why would anyone want Nova?

    26. Greg H.
      January 16th, 2013 | 4:11 pm

      He’s a young #4/5 starter with mixed results so far and a big upside.

    27. MJ Recanati
      January 16th, 2013 | 4:12 pm

      @ Steve L.:
      Because he’s young, cheap and controlled for the next four years? Because, in the National League, even average pitchers look a little bit better? Because he had an 8.1 K/9 ratio last year with a BABIP of .333 which suggests that between some bad luck and some swing-and-miss stuff, he’s a lot closer to league average (with upside) than he is to league-worst?

    28. Corey
      January 16th, 2013 | 4:12 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      @ Greg H.:
      I’d give them Gardner, Nova, two bullpen arms and a high-ceiling guy from the lower farm. I’d love to have Upton for the next three years.

      With all of the OFers that the D-backs have why would they want Gardner?

    29. Corey
      January 16th, 2013 | 4:13 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      suggests that between some bad luck and some swing-and-miss stuff,

      I think Nova can turn it around as much as the next guy but there was nothing bad luck about that .333 BABIP. He got hit hard and often last year, no other way to say it.

    30. MJ Recanati
      January 16th, 2013 | 4:18 pm

      Corey wrote:

      With all of the OFers that the D-backs have why would they want Gardner?

      Kubel/Young are free agents after this year (both have options for 2014). It’s not like the OF surplus in Arizona will remain in perpetuity. With an Upton trade and two guys likely departing via free agency next winter, getting a guy that’s controlled for two more years (that you can extend now to buy him out of free agency at dirt cheap) would make a degree of sense.

    31. MJ Recanati
      January 16th, 2013 | 4:22 pm

      Corey wrote:

      I think Nova can turn it around as much as the next guy but there was nothing bad luck about that .333 BABIP. He got hit hard and often last year, no other way to say it.

      I preface this by saying that I always saw Nova as a reliever with #4 upside and nothing more. Some people mistook his late 2011 surge as evidence of a higher ceiling but I just never saw that for him. He’s a perfect back-end guy and we should be happy with that.

      Having said that, the HR/FB spike reeks of bad luck. He got hit hard because the majority of the line drives he gave up were XBH but I don’t see why the LD% and GB% can’t normalize to somewhere between 2011 and 2012 levels with a corresponding decrease in HR/FB and, as a result, fewer big innings.

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