• Top 75 WAR Totals – Batters During Age 25-27 Seasons

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2013 · Comments (9)

    Here is the list -

    Rk Player WAR/pos From To Age G PA R HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG
    1 Babe Ruth 30.2 1920 1922 25-27 404 1805 429 148 407 379 241 33 .359 .497 .796
    2 Rogers Hornsby 27.3 1921 1923 25-27 415 1865 361 80 361 180 127 33 .395 .458 .667
    3 Barry Bonds 26.0 1990 1992 25-27 444 1867 308 92 333 327 225 134 .301 .424 .566
    4 Eddie Collins 25.9 1912 1914 25-27 453 1982 384 5 222 283 97 176 .346 .448 .447
    5 Mickey Mantle 25.9 1957 1959 25-27 438 1917 352 107 266 368 321 55 .316 .448 .587
    6 Ron Santo 25.6 1965 1967 25-27 480 2073 288 94 293 279 290 8 .299 .394 .520
    7 Jimmie Foxx 25.6 1933 1935 25-27 446 1971 363 128 408 321 267 19 .345 .453 .665
    8 Lou Gehrig 25.4 1928 1930 25-27 462 2074 409 103 442 318 200 20 .351 .457 .652
    9 Hank Aaron 25.2 1959 1961 25-27 462 2028 333 113 369 167 181 45 .325 .378 .599
    10 Willie Mays 25.2 1956 1958 25-27 456 2005 334 100 277 222 183 109 .326 .399 .589
    11 Albert Pujols 24.9 2005 2007 25-27 462 2013 347 122 357 288 173 25 .329 .430 .615
    12 Alex Rodriguez 24.8 2001 2003 25-27 485 2172 382 156 395 249 379 44 .305 .395 .615
    13 Tris Speaker 24.4 1913 1915 25-27 449 1928 303 7 230 223 61 117 .341 .426 .482
    14 Mike Schmidt 24.0 1975 1977 25-27 472 2046 319 114 303 305 451 58 .262 .379 .540
    15 Stan Musial 23.6 1946 1948 25-27 460 2078 372 74 329 232 89 18 .352 .428 .599
    16 Home Run Baker 23.0 1911 1913 25-27 446 1947 328 33 362 153 109 112 .339 .399 .514
    17 George Brett 22.8 1978 1980 25-27 399 1774 285 56 287 148 93 55 .335 .388 .560
    18 Wade Boggs 22.7 1983 1985 25-27 472 2169 316 19 207 277 141 8 .351 .434 .460
    19 George Sisler 22.1 1918 1920 25-27 400 1757 302 31 246 113 56 115 .371 .417 .545
    20 Robin Yount 22.1 1981 1983 25-27 401 1777 281 56 243 148 158 30 .309 .365 .513
    21 Carl Yastrzemski 21.9 1965 1967 25-27 454 1931 271 80 273 245 187 25 .305 .394 .528
    22 Rickey Henderson 21.8 1984 1986 25-27 438 1952 389 68 204 274 227 233 .289 .391 .481
    23 Duke Snider 21.6 1952 1954 25-27 446 1957 332 103 348 221 263 29 .327 .405 .593
    24 Andre Dawson 21.6 1980 1982 25-27 402 1739 274 64 234 113 215 99 .304 .354 .510
    25 Mel Ott 21.5 1934 1936 25-27 455 2014 352 99 384 278 142 13 .325 .423 .578
    26 Ken Griffey 21.5 1995 1997 25-27 369 1656 302 122 329 206 278 35 .295 .385 .609
    27 Johnny Mize 21.4 1938 1940 25-27 456 1944 300 98 347 248 145 7 .333 .423 .625
    28 Eddie Mathews 21.4 1957 1959 25-27 445 1997 324 109 285 255 235 10 .284 .376 .532
    29 Ty Cobb 21.2 1912 1914 25-27 360 1524 259 13 207 158 84 147 .392 .462 .550
    30 Joe DiMaggio 21.1 1940 1942 25-27 425 1874 338 82 372 205 79 9 .336 .412 .585
    31 Kenny Lofton 20.7 1992 1994 25-27 408 1831 317 18 141 201 193 196 .317 .393 .429
    32 Frank Robinson 20.1 1961 1963 25-27 455 1917 330 97 351 228 195 66 .311 .403 .566
    33 Ernie Banks 20.1 1956 1958 25-27 449 1948 314 118 316 174 234 18 .298 .361 .576
    34 Sal Bando 20.0 1969 1971 25-27 470 2013 274 75 282 315 225 10 .272 .395 .457
    35 Bobby Grich 19.7 1974 1976 25-27 454 1977 266 45 193 283 304 45 .263 .379 .416
    36 Darrell Evans 19.7 1972 1974 25-27 446 1964 280 85 254 340 250 14 .259 .390 .470
    37 Tony Gwynn 19.6 1985 1987 25-27 471 2052 316 27 159 179 103 107 .338 .397 .461
    38 Tim Raines 19.2 1985 1987 25-27 440 1956 329 38 171 249 172 190 .328 .415 .491
    39 Reggie Jackson 19.1 1971 1973 25-27 436 1844 258 89 272 198 397 47 .279 .362 .505
    40 Ryan Braun 19.1 2009 2011 25-27 465 2022 323 90 328 171 319 67 .318 .382 .548
    41 Bobby Bonds 19.1 1971 1973 25-27 468 2126 359 98 278 209 422 113 .276 .351 .496
    42 Bobby Murcer 18.9 1971 1973 25-27 459 1950 279 80 285 204 194 31 .308 .381 .513
    43 Snuffy Stirnweiss 18.8 1944 1946 25-27 435 2001 307 18 144 217 207 106 .296 .374 .427
    44 Todd Helton 18.7 1999 2001 25-27 478 2051 384 126 406 269 242 19 .343 .431 .657
    45 Chuck Knoblauch 18.7 1994 1996 25-27 398 1829 332 29 186 217 225 126 .330 .422 .491
    46 Ralph Kiner 18.7 1948 1950 25-27 458 2009 332 141 368 351 201 9 .282 .410 .594
    47 Billy Herman 18.6 1935 1937 25-27 445 2076 320 20 241 157 81 13 .337 .390 .475
    48 Johnny Bench 18.6 1973 1975 25-27 454 1965 274 86 343 228 281 20 .272 .356 .485
    49 Goose Goslin 18.6 1926 1928 25-27 430 1842 281 47 330 161 85 45 .354 .418 .553
    50 Joe Mauer 18.4 2008 2010 25-27 421 1823 280 46 256 225 166 6 .340 .420 .502
    51 Lou Boudreau 18.4 1943 1945 25-27 399 1732 210 9 182 198 90 15 .307 .392 .412
    52 Ivan Rodriguez 18.4 1997 1999 25-27 439 1895 302 76 281 94 241 41 .322 .358 .519
    53 Jesse Barfield 18.3 1985 1987 25-27 472 1937 290 95 276 193 430 33 .280 .356 .517
    54 Billy Williams 18.3 1963 1965 25-27 487 2115 302 92 301 192 238 27 .304 .368 .527
    55 Jeff Bagwell 17.9 1993 1995 25-27 366 1627 268 80 291 206 240 40 .324 .410 .577
    56 Joe Gordon 17.9 1940 1942 25-27 458 1967 304 72 293 203 232 40 .292 .368 .490
    57 Arky Vaughan 17.9 1937 1939 25-27 426 1875 253 18 202 228 63 33 .316 .404 .442
    58 Keith Hernandez 17.8 1979 1981 25-27 423 1832 292 35 252 227 196 37 .326 .410 .494
    59 Tony Oliva 17.8 1964 1966 25-27 469 2043 315 73 279 131 204 44 .317 .363 .518
    60 Dave Parker 17.6 1976 1978 25-27 445 1921 291 64 295 145 279 56 .329 .382 .532
    61 Rusty Staub 17.6 1969 1971 25-27 480 2062 281 78 270 296 196 24 .296 .404 .501
    62 Bill Bradley 17.6 1903 1905 25-27 436 1858 258 12 202 78 201 66 .294 .334 .419
    63 Rico Petrocelli 17.5 1968 1970 25-27 434 1758 215 81 246 196 223 4 .266 .349 .488
    64 Jim Wynn 17.5 1967 1969 25-27 463 1982 300 96 261 312 410 50 .262 .380 .492
    65 Chuck Klein 17.5 1930 1932 25-27 458 2089 431 109 428 173 148 31 .357 .413 .641
    66 Heinie Groh 17.5 1915 1917 25-27 465 2014 248 6 131 205 97 40 .288 .370 .392
    67 Joey Votto 17.5 2009 2011 25-27 442 1911 289 91 300 271 360 28 .318 .418 .565
    68 Roger Maris 17.4 1960 1962 25-27 454 1963 322 133 353 251 210 3 .269 .366 .561
    69 Al Simmons 17.4 1927 1929 25-27 368 1595 278 64 372 93 98 15 .368 .408 .616
    70 Dave Winfield 17.3 1977 1979 25-27 474 2013 289 83 307 198 227 52 .297 .366 .508
    71 Adrian Beltre 17.2 2004 2006 25-27 468 1988 261 92 297 138 313 21 .286 .340 .501
    72 Chipper Jones 17.2 1997 1999 25-27 474 2087 339 100 328 298 275 61 .309 .406 .552
    73 Vladimir Guerrero 17.2 2000 2002 25-27 474 2021 314 117 342 202 232 86 .329 .402 .607
    74 Derek Jeter 17.1 1999 2001 25-27 456 2104 363 60 249 215 314 68 .333 .411 .505
    75 Frank Thomas 17.1 1993 1995 25-27 411 1840 314 119 340 357 189 9 .324 .453 .641
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    Wow.  Look at Ron Santo.

    I really thought that Roger Maris would have been higher in this list. And, hey, check out where Sal Bando ranked.  Lastly, for these three “age” season, Kenny Lofton was as good as Joe DiMaggio?  Fun stuff…

    Comments on Top 75 WAR Totals – Batters During Age 25-27 Seasons

    1. KPOcala
      February 3rd, 2013 | 11:30 am

      I’ve been of the opinion that Bonds started PEDs when he was in his middle twenties, and upped the dose and the types as he aged. I know, hard to prove but if WAR is to be believed……

    2. February 3rd, 2013 | 11:32 am

      @ KPOcala:
      I think most of the evidence out there suggests that Bonds started using in 1999 and all the attention went to Sosa and McGwire in 1998.

    3. KPOcala
      February 3rd, 2013 | 5:10 pm

      @ Steve L.:Steve, I think you’ll agree that PED use started in the late ’70′s-early ’80′s, if not sooner. The thing that always jumps out for me with Bonds is the way his numbers suddenly soared at age 25, and kept going. Remember, any of these players, even The Captain, could take ‘roids in smaller dosages, or not hit the weight room as hard. Bonds started out as bone-rack, and suddenly really putting weight (I know, at that age people “fill out” and lifting will help). But that jump, that year, hmmmm. I wonder how often that’s happened before. I read last week, that something like a quarter million men have made it to the big leagues. When things don’t jibe with history, I have to assume the worst…

    4. February 3rd, 2013 | 5:38 pm

      @ KPOcala:
      If I had to offer, I would say that PEDs like steroids became an issue in the mid to late 80′s. Not before. And, by the mid to late 90′s, then it was a really big issue. Then, around 1999/2000, HGH became an issue.

    5. KPOcala
      February 3rd, 2013 | 6:57 pm

      @ Steve L.:Steve, I remember when Brian Downing put 40# of muscle on in the off-season, Lance Parrish, and others followed suit. Downing’s teammates nicknamed him “The Incredible Hulk”, circa 1980. His .obp suddenly jumped up and he was (slow as he was) astutely turned into a lead-off hitter. I believe, that Gene Mauch was the manager. I remember being astounded at the time, I had a couple years of weight training (at that time I trained at a “health club”, so I wasn’t exposed to the ‘roidheads, yet) behind me, and I never heard of anyone making gains like that….

    6. KPOcala
      February 3rd, 2013 | 7:01 pm

      @ Steve L.:
      PS, Steve, a few months ago I went on baseballref’s site, and starting looking at players that I’d still remembered the buzz about “off-season workouts”, and sure enough, some very interesting “career arcs”. Enough to convince a jury in criminal law? No. But civil law, without the same burden of proof, maybe, yes.

    7. rankdog
      February 4th, 2013 | 4:56 pm

      Steroids were around in the 80′s, Ivan Drago was injected in Rock 4 (1985). :)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbYe1BPjPgU

    8. February 4th, 2013 | 5:16 pm

      @ rankdog:
      LOL.

      @ KPOcala:
      No question, maybe, in the early 80′s, SOME used. But, for sure, by the late 80′s, it was more widespread. That whole A’s team from ’88 to ’90 was juiced, just about.

    9. KPOcala
      February 4th, 2013 | 9:43 pm

      @ Steve L.: I think it was more than “some”, but we agree on the main point, that it WAS around long before the press thought about it, and that journalists only see weights when they’re doing an interview ;)

      BTW, in the NFL, by the mid-seventies it was pervasive. Makes me wonder now that I think about it, if that’s how Al Davis managed to find old stars, and suddenly produced “rejuvenated players”. Those guys, and the Steelers were incredibly muscular…

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