• 1919 White Sox Ranked By Career WAR

    Posted by on February 9th, 2013 · Comments (5)

    Here is the batters list -

    Rk Player WAR/pos From To Age G PA H RBI BB SB BA OBP SLG Tm
    1 Eddie Collins 118.5 1906 1930 19-43 2825 12040 3315 1300 1499 741 .333 .424 .429 PHA-CHW
    2 Shoeless Joe Jackson 59.6 1908 1920 20-32 1332 5692 1772 785 519 202 .356 .423 .517 PHA-CLE-TOT-CHW
    3 Ray Schalk 25.0 1912 1929 19-36 1762 6228 1345 594 638 177 .253 .340 .316 CHW-NYG
    4 Buck Weaver 18.5 1912 1920 21-29 1254 5296 1308 420 183 173 .272 .307 .355 CHW
    5 Happy Felsch 17.6 1915 1920 23-28 749 3133 825 446 207 88 .293 .347 .427 CHW
    6 Chick Gandil 16.8 1910 1919 22-31 1147 4717 1176 557 273 151 .277 .327 .362 CHW-WSH-CLE
    7 Eddie Murphy 8.0 1912 1926 20-34 762 2751 680 195 294 111 .287 .374 .346 PHA-TOT-CHW-PIT
    8 Nemo Leibold 7.9 1913 1925 21-33 1269 4870 1109 284 571 136 .266 .357 .327 CLE-CHW-BOS-WSH
    9 Shano Collins 7.2 1910 1925 24-39 1800 7042 1687 709 331 226 .264 .306 .364 CHW-BOS
    10 Reb Russell 5.3 1913 1923 24-34 422 1063 262 172 42 9 .268 .309 .436 CHW-PIT
    11 Fred McMullin 2.2 1914 1920 22-28 304 1081 234 70 91 31 .256 .333 .302 DET-CHW
    12 Swede Risberg 2.1 1917 1920 22-25 476 1836 394 175 148 52 .243 .311 .332 CHW
    13 Dickey Kerr 0.9 1919 1925 25-31 143 322 60 21 28 4 .218 .295 .284 CHW
    14 Eddie Cicotte 0.9 1905 1920 21-36 504 1222 198 58 88 6 .186 .251 .215 DET-BOS-TOT-CHW
    15 Tom McGuire 0.8 1914 1919 22-27 44 78 19 11 7 0 .268 .333 .394 CHI-CHW
    16 Erskine Mayer 0.7 1912 1919 22-29 245 503 84 28 28 0 .185 .234 .252 PHI-TOT
    17 Byrd Lynn 0.5 1916 1920 27-31 116 242 50 15 18 3 .237 .303 .289 CHW
    18 Charlie Robertson 0.3 1919 1928 23-32 166 375 68 19 21 1 .208 .256 .220 CHW-SLB-BSN
    19 John Sullivan 0.0 1919 1919 25-25 4 4 0 1 1 0 .000 .250 .000 CHW
    20 Frank Shellenback -0.3 1918 1919 19-20 37 81 8 1 10 0 .123 .240 .138 CHW
    21 Win Noyes -0.5 1913 1919 24-30 49 82 10 2 6 0 .135 .200 .149 BSN-PHA-TOT
    22 Joe Jenkins -0.6 1914 1919 23-28 40 63 8 3 2 3 .133 .161 .200 SLB-CHW
    23 Dave Danforth -0.6 1911 1925 21-35 286 423 56 27 33 2 .160 .238 .214 PHA-CHW-SLB
    24 Roy Wilkinson -0.7 1918 1922 24-28 79 131 18 7 6 1 .145 .185 .218 CLE-CHW
    25 Grover Lowdermilk -0.9 1909 1920 24-35 122 201 25 6 7 1 .131 .166 .173 STL-CHC-SLB-CHW
    26 Lefty Williams -0.9 1913 1920 20-27 190 448 61 29 33 0 .159 .227 .201 DET-CHW
    27 Bill James -1.2 1911 1919 24-32 203 413 51 12 27 1 .142 .209 .165 CLE-SLB-TOT-DET
    28 Pat Ragan -1.8 1909 1923 23-37 286 578 84 28 14 1 .154 .179 .189 BRO-BSN-TOT-PHI
    29 Joe Benz -2.6 1911 1919 25-33 251 474 61 17 5 1 .138 .150 .166 CHW
    30 Hervey McClellan -3.5 1919 1924 24-29 344 1305 257 98 68 23 .221 .267 .292 CHW
    31 Red Faber -3.5 1914 1933 25-44 670 1553 170 70 169 7 .134 .240 .161 CHW
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    And, he is the pitchers list -

    Rk Player WAR From To Age G GS GF W L SV IP BB SO ERA ERA+ Tm
    1 Red Faber 61.9 1914 1933 25-44 669 483 134 254 213 28 4086.2 1213 1471 3.15 119 CHW
    2 Eddie Cicotte 53.6 1905 1920 21-36 502 361 106 209 148 24 3226.0 827 1374 2.38 123 DET-BOS-TOT-CHW
    3 Reb Russell 19.9 1913 1919 24-30 242 148 60 80 59 13 1291.2 267 495 2.33 121 CHW
    4 Joe Benz 19.4 1911 1919 25-33 251 163 50 77 75 3 1359.2 334 539 2.43 119 CHW
    5 Erskine Mayer 12.1 1912 1919 22-29 245 164 52 91 70 6 1427.0 345 482 2.96 99 PHI-TOT
    6 Lefty Williams 11.6 1913 1920 20-27 189 152 27 82 48 5 1186.0 347 515 3.13 99 DET-CHW
    7 Pat Ragan 10.4 1909 1923 23-37 283 181 72 77 104 6 1608.1 470 680 2.99 97 BRO-BSN-TOT-PHI
    8 Dave Danforth 8.3 1911 1925 21-35 286 112 107 71 66 23 1186.0 455 484 3.89 96 PHA-CHW-SLB
    9 Dickey Kerr 8.2 1919 1925 25-31 140 83 45 53 34 6 811.1 250 235 3.84 99 CHW
    10 Charlie Robertson 5.3 1919 1928 23-32 166 141 17 49 80 1 1005.0 377 310 4.44 90 CHW-SLB-BSN
    11 Bill James 4.1 1911 1919 24-32 203 146 28 64 71 4 1179.2 578 408 3.20 89 CLE-SLB-DET-TOT
    12 Roy Wilkinson 0.8 1918 1922 24-28 79 37 35 12 31 6 380.2 142 88 4.66 85 CLE-CHW
    13 Frank Shellenback 0.7 1918 1919 19-20 36 25 10 10 15 2 217.2 90 57 3.06 92 CHW
    14 Win Noyes 0.4 1913 1919 24-30 49 29 15 11 15 1 246.2 98 93 3.76 78 BSN-PHA-TOT
    15 John Sullivan -0.6 1919 1919 25-25 4 2 2 0 1 0 15.0 8 9 4.20 78 CHW
    16 Tom McGuire -2.5 1914 1919 22-27 25 12 11 5 6 0 134.1 60 37 3.82 77 CHI-CHW
    17 Grover Lowdermilk -2.5 1909 1920 24-35 122 73 25 23 39 0 590.1 376 296 3.58 83 STL-CHC-SLB-CHW
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    The team had 3 Hall of Famers:  Red Faber, Ray Schalk and Eddie Collins.  And, maybe it could have been as many as five – if not for the fix.

    I wonder what the record is for most eventual Hall of Famers on a team that lost a World Series?  It couldn’t be more than five or six, could it?

    Comments on 1919 White Sox Ranked By Career WAR

    1. Evan3457
      February 9th, 2013 | 7:39 pm

      The 1926 Yankees team that lost to the Cards had six: Ruth, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Combs, Pennock and Hoyt.

      The 1942 Yankees also had six: Dickey, Gordon, Rizzuto, DiMaggio, Ruffing and Gomez.

      The 1914 Athletics had five: Collins, Baker, Bender, Plank and Pennock.

      1931 Athletics also had five: Simmmons, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove and Hoyt.

      If bench players count, the 1955 Yankees had six: Berra, Mantle, Ford, Howard, Slaughter and Rizzuto.

    2. Evan3457
      February 9th, 2013 | 7:49 pm

      1962 Giants had five: Cepeda, Mays, McCovey, Marichal and rookie Gaylord Perry.

      1983 Phillies had five: Rose, Morgan, Schmidt, Perez, and Carlton.

      The 2003 Yankees might eventually wind up with five or six: Posada, Jeter, Mussina, Pettitte, Clemens, Rivera. Problably only three, four at most, though.

    3. Evan3457
      February 9th, 2013 | 7:50 pm

      That’s all I can find with a quick search.

    4. Evan3457
      February 9th, 2013 | 8:10 pm

      OK, searched on the the internet and found the 1923 Giants, who lost to the Yankees, and had eight Hall of Famers, thanks to Frankie Frisch’s tenure on the Veterans’ Committee:

      George Kelly (VC, 1973)
      Frankie Frisch (BBWAA, 1947)
      Dave Bancroft (VC, 1971)
      Ross Youngs (!!) (VC, 1972)

      On the Bench:

      Travis Jackson (VC, 1982)
      Casey Stengel (VC, Manager, 1966)
      Bill Terry (BBWAA, 1954)
      Hack Wilson (VC, 1979)

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      It should be noted that the the 1930, 1931 and 1933 Yankees each had nine Hall of Famers, and despite this, (and, in 1931 and 1933, being managed by a Hall of Famer as well), didn’t even win the pennant.

      1930: Dickey, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Combs, Ruth, Ruffing, Pennock, Gomez, and Hoyt. Nine Hall of Famers…and they only finished 3rd, 16 games behind the Athletics and Senators

      1931: Dickey, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Combs, Ruth, Joe Sewell (!), Ruffing, Gomes, Pennock and managed by Joe McCarthy. They finished 2nd…13.5 games behind the Athletics mentioned above, who lost the Series to the Cards.

      Imagine that, six Hall of Famers in the starting lineup, seven when Gomez, Ruffing, or Pennock started, 81 out of 154 games, and still, they weren’t even close to the A’s for the pennant, much less winning the Series. Even with McCarthy in charge.

      1933: Dickey, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Combs, Ruth, Sewell, all Hall of Famers, in the lineup, along with Frankie Crosetti in his 2nd season, a young Dixie Walker on the bench, Hall of Famers Ruffing and Gomez in the rotation, Hall of Famer Pennock in the bullpen, Hall of Famer McCarthy managing…

      …and they finished 2nd, 8 games behind the Senators.

    5. February 9th, 2013 | 9:22 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      Good work!

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