• Alfredo Aceves Just Made Me Obsolete

    Posted by on February 18th, 2013 · Comments (17)

    Via WEEI -

    The buzz circulated throughout Red Sox camp, and no one could make sense of it. Everyone played the role of speculative arm chair psychologist while wondering: Did you see it? Did you hear about it? What on earth was Alfredo Aceves doing?

    Sunday marked the second day of live batting practice, in which pitcher’s face their teammates from behind the protective “L” screen. The exercise is meant to give pitchers an opportunity to build arm strength while introducing a hint of the competitive adrenaline that will characterize games. It also helps hitters to get used to seeing pitches at game speed.

    But when it was Aceves’ turn to throw to Jarrod Saltalmacchia, Jonny Gomes and Mauro Gomez, he did not throw at full speed. He did not even throw at batting practice speed. For about 15 pitches, he simply lobbed the ball to the plate, at approximately the speed at which a pitcher might toss a ball into an umpire if he wanted to replace it.

    Members of the Sox staff were flummoxed. Triple-A pitching coach Rich Sauveur tried to get Aceves to pick up the pace. Manager John Farrell asked the pitcher if he was OK; Aceves responded that he was, but kept lobbing the ball to the plate. Finally, pitching coach Juan Nieves visited the pitcher on the mound, at which point Aceves finally started throwing with something resembling the intended intensity of the exercise.

    At the conclusion of the session, Farrell summoned Aceves to discuss the pitcher’s approach to his first live batting practice session of the spring.

    “The one thing I’ll say about that is that he didn’t go through the drill as intended and we’ve addressed it,” said Farrell. “He’s healthy and it’s been addressed.”

    Aceves likewise had little to say about what either Nieves or Farrell told him.

    “It’s in the team. Stays in the team,” he said.

    And what did he get out of his session?

    “We get through a lot of work coming through the spring training. I’m pretty satisfied with today,” said Aceves, who characterized the session live batting practice as “whatever is usual for me. And also usual for every single of us. Try to train another day of the spring training.”

    The behavior was, of course, bizarre in its own right, but in Aceves’ case, the matter appears more disconcerting because it echoes other disciplinary concerns that the Sox had with the right-hander towards the end of last year.

    It’s official. My soon to be 9-year old knows more about baseball than me. Yesterday, he told me that some major league pitcher was clocked at something like 57-miles per hour. And, I told him that was not very likely – since the slowest of the slow usually throw between 65 and 75 MPH. Yet, he protested me and said that he was sure that he heard this…

    …and, now, I just came across this report. So, I asked him “Was that pitcher who were telling me about on the Red Sox?” After he said yes, I asked him where he heard about it. And, he told me that he couldn’t remember but he thought it was on TV.

    Mark the date: February 18, 2013 – The day my soon to be 9-year old son has forgotten more about baseball than I will ever know…at least, in the case of Alfredo Aceves’ hissy fit BP session.

    Comments on Alfredo Aceves Just Made Me Obsolete

    1. Raf
      February 18th, 2013 | 8:15 pm

      Alfredo Aceves was with the Yankees from 2008-10. The difference between a major league and a minor league contract was what led him to Boston.

      Memory may be playing tricks on me, but something must’ve happened between cities, because I don’t remember Aceves being a disciplinary problem while with the Yanks.

    2. February 18th, 2013 | 10:20 pm

      The Yankees do a great job at hiding shit.

    3. Raf
      February 18th, 2013 | 10:24 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      The Yankees do a great job at hiding shit.

      I would think Alex Rodriguez, among others, would bear to differ.

    4. February 19th, 2013 | 7:19 am

      @ Raf:
      Then again, you might be surprised at the amount of A-Rod crap that never made the papers because the Yankees threw a damper on it.

    5. MJ Recanati
      February 19th, 2013 | 10:42 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      The Yankees do a great job at hiding shit.

      Every team does a great job at hiding shit.

    6. February 19th, 2013 | 10:46 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Every team does a great job at hiding shit.

      Agreed. But, the Yankees excel at it.

    7. February 19th, 2013 | 10:47 am

      Case in point: How long the Cashman affair was hidden, even though there was a ton of smoke out there, until it could not be ignored any more.

    8. MJ Recanati
      February 19th, 2013 | 11:09 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      Agreed. But, the Yankees excel at it. Case in point: How long the Cashman affair was hidden, even though there was a ton of smoke out there, until it could not be ignored any more.

      With all due respect, do you live in other cities to know about what’s being hidden and for how long?

      Your comment is based on your being atuned to the Yankees on a daily basis and it’s naive to think that every other team in baseball doesn’t similarly hide unflattering information from public view. Moreover, how would you be in a position to comment on how qualified other teams are at hiding “their shit” relative to the Yankees? Although I hate the man, former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld made a great comment once upon a time that we only know what we know and know what we don’t know but don’t know what we don’t know. How can you tell us with certainty that you know what other teams are hiding and how good they are at hiding it? You don’t know what you don’t know for a reason.

    9. February 19th, 2013 | 4:33 pm
    10. Raf
      February 19th, 2013 | 6:09 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Every team does a great job at hiding shit.

      The Twins and Kirby Puckett…

      Steve L. wrote:

      Case in point: How long the Cashman affair was hidden, even though there was a ton of smoke out there, until it could not be ignored any more.

      Nobody cared. The story tried to break here, and you saw how well that went. Meanwhile, Rodriguez brings a stripper to his hotel room, and it makes front page. Remember all the gals Jeter was affiliated with? Or even the (fairly recent) story about him giving memorabilia to one night stands?

    11. Raf
      February 19th, 2013 | 6:12 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Nobody wants Ace: https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/303966797831487488

      Betcha if he got released, someone would pick him up :)

    12. Evan3457
      February 19th, 2013 | 6:34 pm

      I’d trade for him. Yanks need a veteran who can fill in in the rotation, long relief or setup.

    13. Evan3457
      February 19th, 2013 | 6:35 pm

      Not that I’d give up much, but I’d give the Sox a low-level B-/C+ prospect for him.

    14. Raf
      April 24th, 2013 | 7:45 pm

      And still it continues… by way of MLB Traderumors
      http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/04/24/buster-olney-on-mm-rival-gm-says-red-sox-would-get-nothing-in-trade-of-alfredo-aceves/

      “Buster Olney of ESPN joined Mut & Merloni on Wednesday to talk about what the Red Sox might do with Alfredo Aceves in light of his mounting issues…”

      “On whether Aceves needs to be out of the clubhouse even if he can’t be traded: “It depends on what the internal conversations were last night after the game. … The fact that they left him in to take that beating made me wonder, OK, there’s some kind of push-pull thing going on here. If in the meeting they decided, last night, he basically stopped competing on the mound, if that’s what they believe, you’ve got to move him out as soon as possible, because they’ve got a great thing going.”

      “Aceves is one of those guys who had issues last year, and he’s still around. You’ve got to turn the page. And it’s not like they don’t have other options, especially if Daniel Bard comes back up and really establishes himself. I think Aceves’ value is really wrapped up in his versatility, but if the distractions and the questions about his effort outweigh what he’s actually producing on the field, then you just move on. And I think they may have reached that point last night if what they were saying in their internal meeting was that he stopped competing.”

      I’m still not sure what happened between NY & Boston…

    15. Raf
      July 14th, 2013 | 10:35 pm
    16. Corey
      July 14th, 2013 | 10:40 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Outrighted off the 40-man roster
      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/red-sox-outright-alfredo-aceves.html

      It’s all Cashmans fault.

    17. Raf
      March 28th, 2014 | 7:14 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      Outrighted off the 40-man roster
      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/red-sox-outright-alfredo-aceves.html
      It’s all Cashmans fault.

      Ha!
      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/yankees-to-sign-alfredo-aceves.html

      “Yankees To Sign Alfredo Aceves”

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