• How Long Until Cashman Calls Tony Clark About Making A Comeback?

    Posted by on March 11th, 2013 · Comments (31)

    The Yankees GM is looking to add someone to the roster to help with the injury to Tex.

    Via MLB Trade Rumors

    • Cashman called Derrek Lee a Yankees type because of his approach and makeup, Curry reports. The Yankees recently reached out to Lee to see if he’d come out of retirement to play in New York. Asked about the chances of completing a deal, Cashman noted that Lee isn’t with the Yankees now. The GM is not currently optimistic about signing Lee, according to Sherman.
    • Cashman said he’d sign Chipper Jones if the third baseman were willing to come out of retirement, Sherman reports. The GM said his interest in Jones was serious and that he intended to call his agent, Curry notes. However, B.B. Abbott told Sherman that he can’t see his client coming out of retirement. “I don’t think [playing for the Yankees] is something he would consider, but he would be flattered,” Abbott said.
    • Cashman also investigated the possibility of signing free agent third baseman Scott Rolen, Curry reports. The GM hinted that Rolen wants a guarantee of playing time and/or money, however.

    No word on whether or not Sidney Ponson has started taking grounders at the infield corners.

    Comments on How Long Until Cashman Calls Tony Clark About Making A Comeback?

    1. MJ Recanati
      March 11th, 2013 | 12:30 pm

      If they can help, why does it matter so much to you?

    2. March 11th, 2013 | 12:32 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Old guys retire for a reason. And, they should be left retired.

    3. MJ Recanati
      March 11th, 2013 | 12:51 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Old guys retire for a reason. And, they should be left retired.

      As I said, if they can help, it shouldn’t matter. If they can’t help, they’ll be relieved of their duties. To simply ignore a potential solution just because someone is retired is short-sighted and foolish.

    4. March 11th, 2013 | 1:04 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      To simply ignore a potential solution just because someone is retired is short-sighted and foolish.

      This is eyewash, asking these guys. It’s not due diligence.

      Csahman might as well ask Greg Maddux and Mike Piazza if they want to come out of retirement too…it’s just as useful.

    5. Greg H.
      March 11th, 2013 | 1:48 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Old guys retire for a reason.

      Old guys retire for a variety of reasons.
      As a recent example, Andy Pettite came out of retirement(s) and certainly helped the team.

      No harm in asking – if he’s capable of playing better than the options we have, then why not ask? Especially Derek Lee – good glove, good clubhouse guy. In his last season hit .267 with 19 HRs. Heck, Texas just gave Lance Berkman a 2/22 and I bet they would be thrilled to get that from him.

    6. March 11th, 2013 | 2:12 pm

      No one fears rust?

    7. Greg H.
      March 11th, 2013 | 2:21 pm

      Rust, Juan Rivera, Dan Johnson, it’s all a little frightening, but it’s not Friday the 13th – yet.

    8. March 11th, 2013 | 2:22 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      Rust, Juan Rivera, Dan Johnson, it’s all a little frightening, but it’s not Friday the 13th – yet.

      Be afraid, be very afraid…

    9. MJ Recanati
      March 11th, 2013 | 2:40 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      This is eyewash, asking these guys. It’s not due diligence.

      How do you know this? Again, your dislike of Cashman gets in the way of a more level-headed approach to each situation.

      Steve L. wrote:

      Csahman might as well ask Greg Maddux and Mike Piazza if they want to come out of retirement too…it’s just as useful.

      Neither are corner infielers which happens to be the team’s largest area of need right now. Moreover, Lee (2011) and Jones (2012) have played professional baseball more recently than Maddux (2008) and Piazza (2007).

    10. MJ Recanati
      March 11th, 2013 | 2:44 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      No one fears rust?

      Sure, but what’s the alternative? Intentionally avoiding a possible solution? Between doing nothing and trying to rectify the situation, I’ll take action over inaction.

    11. March 11th, 2013 | 2:52 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Sure, but what’s the alternative?

      Have someone ready in your farm system who can step up and contribute. Or, use the excess talent in your system to trade for a useful part…

      …oh…

      but, wait, this is Cashman we are talking about…

      Never mind.

    12. Greg H.
      March 11th, 2013 | 3:12 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Have someone ready in your farm system who can step up and contribute. Or, use the excess talent in your system to trade for a useful part…

      Musty is being evaluated, and may be the solution at 3rd, moving Youk over to first. They do have Nunez, but no one wants to see him play third, which I also agree with. Trading a decent chip for a 2-month 1B is not what I want to see happen either.

      Let’s face it, no team is ready willing and able to gracefully replace from losing 3 middle of the order position players and replacing them with solid players from their farm. Our farm is looking pretty deep with pitching, but I’m not sure I’d trade any of that for a 2-month 1B solution which might be only marginally better than the options being considered.

    13. Greg H.
      March 11th, 2013 | 3:13 pm

      Oops – rebound from losing. :-)

    14. March 11th, 2013 | 3:32 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      Our farm is looking pretty deep with pitching

      Really? Who?

    15. MJ Recanati
      March 11th, 2013 | 3:37 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Have someone ready in your farm system who can step up and contribute. Or, use the excess talent in your system to trade for a useful part…

      Your rigidity is your undoing. By exploring the idea of signing a veteran, that doesn’t mean the Yankees are ruling out using an internal option. Moreover, why trade a minor league player for a two-month rental? Mark Teixeira is signed through 2016 so trading for a permanent solution at 1st base would be idiotic, given the cost in prospects and the fact that the Yankees would then have two first basemen.

    16. MJ Recanati
      March 11th, 2013 | 3:38 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      Let’s face it, no team is ready willing and able to gracefully replace from losing 3 middle of the order position players and replacing them with solid players from their farm

      This.

    17. March 11th, 2013 | 6:16 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      By exploring the idea of signing a veteran, that doesn’t mean the Yankees are ruling out using an internal option

      Really? What internal option? And, if it was worth anything, why would they try to dig up the dead like Lee?

    18. Raf
      March 11th, 2013 | 6:57 pm

      It’s not like it hasn’t been tried before…

      BASEBALL; Yanks Try Out (Len) Barker and (Steve) Howe
      http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/21/sports/baseball-yanks-try-out-barker-and-howe.html

      ‘El Sid’ rides again – Fernandez signs minor league deal with Yankees
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/2001/spring_training/news/2001/02/20/fernandez_ap/

      (Jim) Palmer accepts invitation to spring dance
      http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-02-22/sports/1991053009_1_palmer-orioles-makes-the-club

    19. Raf
      March 11th, 2013 | 6:59 pm

      And who could forget Chambliss? :)

      BASEBALL; Yankees’ Offense Fizzles; Chambliss Is Activated
      http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/08/sports/baseball-yankees-offense-fizzles-chambliss-is-activated.html

    20. 77yankees
      March 11th, 2013 | 7:50 pm

      I’d like to see them give Mustelier a shot. As long as he’s not a butcher out there at 3rd, play him 4-5 days a week the month of April.

      Saw him for the 1st time Saturday, and doesn’t he remind of a 1985-86 Kevin Mitchell?

    21. MJ Recanati
      March 11th, 2013 | 8:34 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Really? What internal option? And, if it was worth anything, why would they try to dig up the dead like Lee?

      Really? Because all choices in life are of the mutually exclusive variety? You either MUST seek out a veteran our you MUST play a minor leaguer? You can’t have both come to camp or both play in April and then move on with one or the other?

      You’re arguing for the sake of argument. There’s nothing wrong with bringing in veterans in order to evaluate all options. You don’t have to like it but it’s something EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN BASEBALL does. Get over it already.

    22. LMJ229
      March 11th, 2013 | 9:38 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Really? Because all choices in life are of the mutually exclusive variety? You either MUST seek out a veteran our you MUST play a minor leaguer? You can’t have both come to camp or both play in April and then move on with one or the other?

      You make a legitimate point, there is nothing wrong with having options. The only issue I have is that bringing in a currently retired veteran player will not help us in the future. And with the impending salary restrictions we are going to have to rely on our young players to fill some spots next year. So why not give a young guy a shot? How are we ever going to be able to see if any of our young guys can produce if we don’t give them a legitimate shot? And by “legitimate” I don’t mean just spring training, I mean a month or so in the big leagues to really see what they can do. If I recall correctly, Jeter, Petitte and Mariano all got their shots off of an injury. That’s how alot of teams work their young players in.

    23. Raf
      March 11th, 2013 | 10:35 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      The only issue I have is that bringing in a currently retired veteran player will not help us in the future.

      In this instance, it’s not so much about the future, as it is about the present. A temporary stopgap until Teix gets better. Teix, who is signed through the 2016 season. :)

      Of course, he may last until then, he may not.

      That said, to use an example, Howe was invited to camp in 1991 (33 years old), his Yankees career ran from 1991-96. His presence didn’t block any kids from being worked in.

      The Yanks have worked young players in; Robertson, Nova, Phelps, Gardner and Melky are a recent examples. Nuñez has gotten repeated shots to be the utility infielder/supersub. Francisco Cervelli & Austin Romine still figure into team plans…

    24. MJ Recanati
      March 12th, 2013 | 7:45 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      The only issue I have is that bringing in a currently retired veteran player will not help us in the future.

      As Raf said, if this was a matter of signing a veteran that would otherwise block an internal option then you’d have a point. Since the motivation for this potential move is merely a temporary stop-gap until Teixeira can come back then I think your concern is more or less mitigated.

    25. Greg H.
      March 12th, 2013 | 9:43 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      Greg H. wrote:
      Our farm is looking pretty deep with pitching
      Really? Who?

      I know that this is a really small sample (spring) but so far, Jose Ramirez, Vidal Nuno, Rondon, Kelly, Warren and Montgomery have all looked pretty good, with Ramirez and Nuno being surprisingly good. Phelps looks good, Nova looks better (we’ll see) Kuroda looks very sharp. Even the rehab guys – Banuelos, Pineda, Cabral seem to be progressing well. The pitching could be going a whole lot worse (like the offense).

    26. Mr. October
      March 12th, 2013 | 10:07 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      The only issue I have is that bringing in a currently retired veteran player will not help us in the future. And with the impending salary restrictions we are going to have to rely on our young players to fill some spots next year. So why not give a young guy a shot?

      What young player(s) are available to fill this role? The team has been put together, or is in a position, to compete in 2013, so you must find production until Teixeira returns and with the loss of offense at other positions – although I don’t understand how Jones’ name comes up or why there is a belief he would consider this “opportunity.”

    27. MJ Recanati
      March 12th, 2013 | 11:09 am

      Greg H. wrote:

      I know that this is a really small sample (spring) but so far, Jose Ramirez, Vidal Nuno, Rondon, Kelly, Warren and Montgomery have all looked pretty good, with Ramirez and Nuno being surprisingly good. Phelps looks good, Nova looks better (we’ll see) Kuroda looks very sharp. Even the rehab guys – Banuelos, Pineda, Cabral seem to be progressing well. The pitching could be going a whole lot worse (like the offense).

      Obviously it’s a small sample against competition that runs the gamut from nobodies to MLB players who aren’t yet in form.

      BUT, the moral of the story is that a farm team can go from looking awesome to terrible — and, in our case (potentially), vice versa — in the blink of an eye.

      If a few arms step up and a few injured arms come back, the team goes back to its level of pitching depth from around 2009-2010 where the farm system’s biggest asset was the number of arms available at all levels.

    28. Greg H.
      March 12th, 2013 | 1:12 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Obviously it’s a small sample against competition that runs the gamut from nobodies to MLB players who aren’t yet in form.

      Yes, and by the same token, pitchers are not necessarily using the pitches and sequences they would use in a real game. So it’s a great big tryout, but by watching (not solely stats, but) the action on the pitches you can tell a little.

      Right now our farm in general is ranked in about the middle of the pack, but as you point out, a few chips fall in the right direction pitching wise, and it would make a substantial difference. I can’t help but feel that in the absence of a “sure thing” like a Bryce Harper or a Steven Strasburg, the farm looks bleaker than it really is to a lot of fans.

      My impression is that most top teams actually don’t have many/any sure-thing players, because they don’t get the top few picks every year. Their farms are full of players who have to not only outperform their original draft evaluations, but also have to play their way onto the better rosters in baseball. Either that or they’ve acquired the prospects by trading mlb talent (also usually not the case for top teams who are attempting to win in the present).

      Strangely enough, the Yankees of the next couple years could forseeably have one of the younger, more homegrown pitching staffs if a couple things go correctly.

    29. LMJ229
      March 12th, 2013 | 5:53 pm

      Raf wrote:

      In this instance, it’s not so much about the future, as it is about the present. A temporary stopgap until Teix gets better. Teix, who is signed through the 2016 season.

      I was thinking more along the lines of playing Youkilis at first and tapping a younger player for third. I see Youkilis as a one-year player and A-Rod as a future DH so we do have a need there. But hey, if our younger players are spitting the bit I have no problem going with a veteran. It just seems the Yankees value veterans over our younger players.

    30. LMJ229
      March 12th, 2013 | 5:57 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      As Raf said, if this was a matter of signing a veteran that would otherwise block an internal option then you’d have a point. Since the motivation for this potential move is merely a temporary stop-gap until Teixeira can come back then I think your concern is more or less mitigated.

      I just think its a good opportunity to get a guys feet wet if he is deserving.

    31. MJ Recanati
      March 13th, 2013 | 8:50 am

      LMJ229: I just think its a good opportunity to get a guys feet wet if he is deserving.
      ————————-
      Internal options for third base are a little further away in the minors so I don’t think signing a veteran is blocking anyone from immediately filling in for Youkilis/Rodriguez at the position (other than Nunez who really doesn’t belong at 3B anyway).

      PS – I’ve gone back to the low-tech mode of responding to comments because my browser seems to no longer display the “quote” and “respond” radio buttons.

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