• At What Cost Vernon Wells?

    Posted by on March 24th, 2013 · Comments (38)

    That’s “Today’s Yankees” for you: Really shitty talent evaluators, but, really good bookkeepers!

    I heard that Brian Cashman is special ordering a FlairHair Green Eyeshade for 2014.

    Comments on At What Cost Vernon Wells?

    1. Raf
      March 24th, 2013 | 10:49 pm

      *facepalm* sunday…

    2. Scout
      March 24th, 2013 | 10:59 pm

      Lunacy? Stupidity? Desperation? Take your pick. I understand the payment is structured so as to have little impact on the 2014 payroll. So it appears we can enjoy the idiocy this year without worrying about its future financial consequences.

    3. KPOcala
      March 24th, 2013 | 11:05 pm

      And they couldn’t “afford” Russell Martin, et al…………….???!!!

    4. Raf
      March 24th, 2013 | 11:20 pm

      Any word as to what’s going back to California?

    5. Raf
      March 24th, 2013 | 11:32 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      And they couldn’t “afford” Russell Martin, et al…………….???!!!

      Maybe, maybe not, but it should be noted that Wells will be with the Yankees for 2013-4. He’ll be making less than what the Pirates are paying Martin.

      Still, acquiring Vernon Wells doesn’t make sense to me.

    6. Evan3457
      March 25th, 2013 | 6:13 am

      Raf wrote:

      KPOcala wrote:
      And they couldn’t “afford” Russell Martin, et al…………….???!!!
      Maybe, maybe not, but it should be noted that Wells will be with the Yankees for 2013-4. He’ll be making less than what the Pirates are paying Martin.
      Still, acquiring Vernon Wells doesn’t make sense to me.

      Me, either. I rate the odds of this move working as quite low.

    7. JeremyM
      March 25th, 2013 | 7:28 am

      I’m really at a loss of words over this move.

    8. March 25th, 2013 | 7:34 am

      “I just wonder where this money was in December,” one Yankees official said.

      Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/yankees–desperate-grab-at–100m-bust-vernon-wells-makes-little-sense-032917823.html

    9. OldYanksFan
      March 25th, 2013 | 8:44 am

      @ KPOcala:
      Martin would have cost in 2014 and maybe 2015.
      I’m not sure how this deal can frontload ‘the AAV’ in 2013, but I suspect that’s 90% of the reasoning.

      This is NOT about Talent Evaluation.
      Do you think we are better at reading stats from Baseball Reference than Cashman is? This is about throwing shit against the wall and hoping it sticks… without hurting 2014.

      Sure…. It’s a shitty deal…. but it doesn’t hurt us.

    10. OldYanksFan
      March 25th, 2013 | 8:53 am

      @ Steve L.:
      First it’s $100m.
      But really, it’s a “$126M bust”
      Except NOW, it’s really a $42m bust.
      But for the Yanks, at worst, it’s a $13m bust.

      It seems like a SHIITY deal.
      But Wells is having a good Spring, and maybe the Yanks think he can be an ‘Andruw Jones’…. aka, a .750 OPS, against LHP only, and a dozen HRs.

      Let’s be honest. The Yankees haven’t been that bad at resurrecting the dead and getting some help. It’s usually for $2m, not $13 though.

      The team is missing 4 important starters. They ARE desperate.
      In January, they didn’t know they would be missing Jeter, Teix and Grandy.

    11. Raf
      March 25th, 2013 | 8:56 am

      OldYanksFan wrote:

      Sure…. It’s a shitty deal…. but it doesn’t hurt us.

      I don’t think it helps either.

      Couldn’t care less about the salary, I’m just curious to see how and where he fits, along with his production. I guess he’s the full time LF’er until Granderson gets back.

      Still no word on what the Angels are getting back?

    12. March 25th, 2013 | 8:57 am

      OldYanksFan wrote:

      Sure…. It’s a shitty deal

      Then why do it?

    13. March 25th, 2013 | 8:58 am

      Raf wrote:

      Still no word on what the Angels are getting back?

      I heard they get to choose between Kim Brennan and Louise Meanwell.

    14. #15
      March 25th, 2013 | 11:07 am

      Absolutely hate this.

      Do you mean to tell me we don’t have a decent outfielder in the minors that can produce V. Wells type numbers for ~ $500K/year and have less risk of getting hurt? Someone that would benifit by the exposure and advance his big league potential?

      I’d have been fine if they’d grabbed Wells for under $2 mil/year. That’s a Raul Ibanez type deal. That’s an E. Chavez type deal. That’s a low risk option. But ~ $6 mil? Two years? This is bad, bad, bad. Give me Melky Mesa or some other low cost unproven commodity instead.

    15. March 25th, 2013 | 11:28 am

      Maybe it would have made more sense to play chicken with the Angels and then see if they released Wells – and then pick him up.

      This deal is a lot easier if you only have to pay him the league minimum.

    16. March 25th, 2013 | 11:58 am

      Interesting take on the trade:

      There was a time when Vernon Wells was a good player, and a year or two where he was a great player. That time is not now.

      The Yankees are reportedly close to acquiring the veteran outfielder from the Angels and would absorb about $13 million of the remaining $42 million owed Wells on the final years of his contract.

      Instant reactions:

      1. I can’t believe the Angels were able to dump Wells — and save $13 million in the process.

      2. Why would anybody want Wells?

      The one thing Wells can maybe still do is his hit left-handed pitching. He hit an abysmal .230/.279/.403 in 2012 and an even more abysmal .218/.248/.412 in 2011, but at least in 2011 he hit .284/.320/.531 against lefties.

      Of course, in his last big season in 2010, when he hit 31 home runs with the Blue Jays, Wells had a huge reverse platoon — .291 against right-handers (.895 OPS), .195 (.643 OPS) against left-handers. He also hit .321 at home, .227 on the road, in a year when the Jays were being accused of stealing signs.

      But even if Wells can hit left-handers, why pay $13 million for that skill? The easiest thing to find in baseball is a right-handed corner outfielder who can hit lefties. There are guys in Triple-A who can do that for the league minimum.

      So the Yankees just acquired a hitter who was bad in 2007, bad in 2009, historically awful in 2011 (.248 OBP, lowest OBP by a full-time outfielder since 1904) and bad again in 2012.

      Sure, injuries have pushed the Yankees into a corner, but it appears to be a desperate acquisition for a team perhaps heading into desperate times.

      Source: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/34039/yankees-show-desperation-with-wells-trade

    17. Greg H.
      March 25th, 2013 | 12:03 pm

      OldYanksFan wrote:

      Wells is having a good Spring, and maybe the Yanks think he can be an ‘Andruw Jones’…. aka, a .750 OPS, against LHP only, and a dozen HRs.
      Let’s be honest. The Yankees haven’t been that bad at resurrecting the dead and getting some help. It’s usually for $2m, not $13 though.

      This is the definition of an indefensible deal; while I agree that the team has been very good at resurrections, this is pushing it – this will definitely be getting blood from a stone. I usually defend the front office, but between in-house options and this? I don’t get this one at all. And if we give up a rosin bag with this deal it’s even worse.

    18. March 25th, 2013 | 12:08 pm

      Are we now stuck with Wells for two years? If he’s TERRIBLE – say, like hitting .190 come July – do the Yankees cut him? Or, does $13 million mean we have to suffer and look at him until the end of 2014?

    19. Garcia
      March 25th, 2013 | 12:27 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Are we now stuck with Wells for two years? If he’s TERRIBLE – say, like hitting .190 come July – do the Yankees cut him? Or, does $13 million mean we have to suffer and look at him until the end of 2014?

      It means the Yankees will then go to the backup of their first backup plan, sign Jason Bay to a long-term deal.

    20. Raf
      March 25th, 2013 | 12:29 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Interesting take on the trade:

      Nothing interesting about it, probably rehashing the same comments after he was acquired by the Angels;
      http://waswatching.com/2011/01/22/maybe-theres-hope-on-that-a-rod-contract-yet/#comments

    21. KPOcala
      March 25th, 2013 | 12:33 pm

      @ OldYanksFan:Agree completely. But then again, we find out After the fact that the salary relief wasn’t what “They” thought it would be. So, what in the hell is going on here?

    22. Greg H.
      March 25th, 2013 | 12:48 pm

      It looks as though the Yanks are on the hook for around 8 – 13 million over two years, all of which is paid this year. Even if it’s 8 – how is this a good deal?? It’s only a good deal if he hits like the 2012 Ibanez for two years, even then, it’s an overpay. I get the fact that they get insurance relief for Tex’s time out (ie. 1-2 months at 3.75 Mil) but still. Holy crap.

    23. March 25th, 2013 | 2:37 pm

      The only word that can be used at this point is bizarre. This is adding dead weight. What are you suppose to do with him once Granderson returns. The team is going to be pay 13 million for a mediocre part-time player. I’ve said it before, Cashman is on something, we will wake up one morning and read he has checked in to a rehab center.

    24. March 25th, 2013 | 2:46 pm

      Joseph Maloney wrote:

      we will wake up one morning and read he has checked in to a rehab center.

      For sex addition, perhaps.

    25. Greg H.
      March 25th, 2013 | 3:45 pm

      The “thinking” and I use this term loosely – must be that Tex will miss 2 months at least, and his salary is reimbursed by the WBC at a rate of $3.75 MM per month. That’s $7.5 MM in salary relief or more, depending on how long he’s out.

      So the net on this transaction is the balance of Tex’s insurance $$ and whatever they assume from Wells’ contract – and that puts it at a few million at the most.

      I’m struggling, really struggling, to apply logic here.

    26. March 25th, 2013 | 4:11 pm

      Murti thinks the Yankees are giving up a decent name considering how much money the Angels are eating.

    27. Corey
      March 25th, 2013 | 4:45 pm

      @ Steve L.:
      I heard rumors of heathcott……..

    28. March 25th, 2013 | 5:17 pm

      @ Corey:
      LOL. Seriously?

    29. JeremyM
      March 26th, 2013 | 7:31 am

      This deal keeps getting worse then…

    30. March 26th, 2013 | 9:05 am

      I doubt that it’s Heathcott. Mike DiGiovanna of the L.A. Times expects the Angels to receive a low- to mid-level prospect from the Yankees.

    31. Evan3457
      March 26th, 2013 | 11:45 am

      I don’t think it’ll be Heathcott. You trade Heathcott because of injury concerns, but you trade him for something valuable.

    32. Evan3457
      March 26th, 2013 | 11:46 am

      Oh, and then you get to read what an idiot Cashman is 3 years from now when Heathcott learns to play without injuring himself, and becomes an All-Star.

    33. March 26th, 2013 | 3:31 pm

      The New York Yankees today announced they acquired three-time All-Star and three-time Gold Glove Award-winning outfielder Vernon Wells along with cash considerations from the Los Angeles Angels in exchange for minor league outfielder Exircado Cayones and minor league left-handed pitcher Kramer Sneed.

    34. Raf
      March 26th, 2013 | 5:33 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      The New York Yankees today announced they acquired three-time All-Star and three-time Gold Glove Award-winning outfielder Vernon Wells along with cash considerations from the Los Angeles Angels in exchange for minor league outfielder Exircado Cayones and minor league left-handed pitcher Kramer Sneed.

      They gave up too much!

      Kramer Sneed, now there’s a name…

    35. Corey
      March 26th, 2013 | 5:51 pm

      @ Steve L.:
      Was kidding earlier

    36. Mr. October
      March 26th, 2013 | 6:51 pm

      Doesn’t look like a bad deal for N.Y…

    37. Evan3457
      March 27th, 2013 | 2:58 am

      Raf wrote:
      Kramer Sneed, now there’s a name…

      Exicardo Cayones is just one-letter (this semi-dirty joke brought to you by the letter ‘J’) away from being a Hall-of-Fame name in his own right.

    38. Raf
      March 27th, 2013 | 4:52 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Exicardo Cayones is just one-letter (this semi-dirty joke brought to you by the letter ‘J’) away from being a Hall-of-Fame name in his own right.

      two letters :)

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