• The Worst Possible Way To End Mariano Rivera’s Career

    Posted by on September 9th, 2013 · Comments (11)

    Say the Yankees reach the wildcard game this year – and then Mariano Rivera blows the save and/or the game to knock New York out of the post-season.

    The way Mo has been pitching since the all-star break, it’s not impossible, right?

    Would that be a terrible way for him to go out?  Or, would the last impression not be a lasting one in this case?

    Comments on The Worst Possible Way To End Mariano Rivera’s Career

    1. Corey
      September 9th, 2013 | 7:52 am

      Most fans would probably not remember that if it happened. I think he’d be OK.

    2. Sweet Lou
      September 9th, 2013 | 9:40 am

      If that happens, he’ll just have to come back for one more year.

    3. Garcia
      September 9th, 2013 | 9:53 am

      That would be a terrible way for Mo to go, and it’s definitely a plausible scenario. However, I agree with Corey.

    4. Greg H.
      September 9th, 2013 | 10:21 am

      Steve, I must read this blog too often. I had the exact same thought yesterday. It’s a lot more likely to happen that way than him saving the last game of a WS win. But either way, the last game of his career, if it’s a blown save, will be remembered.

    5. McMillan
      September 9th, 2013 | 10:29 am

      Cashman’s $236 million team will likely be out of contention for the final wild card spot at some point, allowing Girardi some flexibility in how Mo will go it.

    6. September 9th, 2013 | 10:34 am

      Greg H. wrote:

      I had the exact same thought yesterday.

      LOL. It’s the Yankees of the last few years…they have us mentally conditioned!

    7. #15
      September 9th, 2013 | 11:05 am

      If we are lucky enough, and we’ll need some luck, to make the playoffs…

      And if we are lucky enough to be leading late in a do or die game…

      There is no one I’d rather have on the bump, even now.

      Two points… 1) Don’t hold Mo up against Mo… Hold him up compared to the alternatives on the team and around the league. There are very, very few better than him, even as he sunsets.

      2) With all that he’s done for the team and the fans, Mo has locked in positive immortality. Nothing that can happen the rest of this troubled year can change that.

      His cutter has flattened out some and it’s made him nearly human. He went through the heart of the Botox order in the 8th with one hit (a single), 2 strikeouts and an infield pop up. Middlebrooks apparently caught the jet stream. Based on the route Ichi took, it seems he didn’t think it would even make the track off the bat. I wish Mo would throw inside more, and I wish he’d worked on a change-up years ago. Having that alternate pitch would keep them off his fastball.

    8. #15
      September 9th, 2013 | 11:40 am

      More Mo…

      First… Blowing saves to Boston and Detroit account for 5 of his 7 BLSV this year (plus 1 to the Mutts and 1 to the O’s). That’s 5/7 against the two best hitting team in MLB… Not exactly like giving it up to Houston and Miami.

      Alternatives??

      Kimbrel from Atl… Let’s see him do it on the big stage against AL hitters. Longer term, come back in 5-10 years and talk to me. Today, you might be tempted to bring him in instead of Mo. Maybe.

      Balfour… Interesting one. I might consider him an option right now. But 1 career PS SV and has benifited big time from playing in Yellowstone.

      Johnson from Balt… 9 BLSV YTD, an ERA 1.00 full run higher than Mo and a higher WHIP.

      Holland from KC… See how he does when it matters…. Oh, wait… that’s not going to happen any time soon.

      Joe Nathan from Tex… Better than I thought he could be, but not exactly a post season stud by the records… an ERA of 9.00, w/ 1 SV and 2 BLSV. A possible candidate.

      Aroldis Chapman from Cinci… 35 SV and 5 BLSV this year. He blew his only PS save opportunity (2010). Longer term, come see me in 5-10 years.

      Fernando Rodney has 33 SV and 8 BLSV this year;

      R. Soriano… 39 SV and 6 BLSV YTD.

      H. Street has only 1 BLSV, but hasn’t pitched in single meaningful game all year. He’s also got a PS ERA of 9.00 with 3 SV and 1 BLSV.

      Papsmear…. 25 SV and 7 BLSV YTD!

      J. Benoit… has 17 saves and hasn’t blown one yet this year… Would anyone really prefer to have him take the hill over Mo.

      In short… we need to recalibrate our expectations for our closer.

    9. redbug
      September 9th, 2013 | 5:47 pm

      I doubt the Yanks will reach the PS, But, if they do and Mo blows it, I could care less. Without Mo, the Yankees never would’ve been in the PS all these yrs, much less won all those rings. Real Yankee fans know that.

    10. Kamieniecki
      November 22nd, 2013 | 12:44 am

      If Cashman signs Joe Nathan as a free agent to replace Mariano Rivera, It will be a fairly simple matter, or straightforward calculation, to determine what Nathan’s W-L record, Saves total, and Earned Run Average, will be in 2014.

      All one has to do is weigh the E.R.A. and SV of the Yankees’ closer from last year:

      Rivera: 6-2; 44; 2.11 E.R.A.

      If Nathan has 64 appearances, he can reasonably expect somewhere between 7-9 decisions, and taking the E.R.A., SV, and WPCT above, that means something like 6-2, or 6-3, with an E.R.A. of 2.11.

      Keep in mind, he will not have average or slightly better defensive support, very good starting pitching, or excellent to outstanding offensive support.

      Hey, this model worked great for a starting pitcher, Javier Vazquez, in 2010. Almost:

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Well, I’m weighing the ERA, starts and decisions of their #2, #3, and #4 starters from last year in that:

      Burnett 13-9, 4.04
      Pettitte, 14-8, 4.16
      Chamberlain, 9-6 4.75

      If Vazquez starts 34 games, he can reasonably expect somewhere between 23-25 decisions, and taking the average of those ERA and WPCT above, that means something like 14-9 and 15-10 for an ERA of 4.33 [in 2010].

      http://waswatching.com/2010/03/30/the-javier-vazquez-question/

    11. Kamieniecki
      November 22nd, 2013 | 12:46 am

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      If Nathan has 64 appearances, he can reasonably expect somewhere between 7-9 decisions, and taking the E.R.A., SV, and WPCT above, that means something like 6-2, or 6-3, with an E.R.A. of 2.11.

      Correcton:
      “If Nathan has 64 appearances, he can reasonably expect somewhere between 7-9 decisions, and taking the E.R.A., SV, and WPCT above, that means something like 6-2, or 6-3, with 44 saves and an E.R.A. of 2.11.”

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