• Yanks Sign Brian McCann For $85 Million

    Posted by on November 23rd, 2013 · Comments (31)

    The story.

    7-time all-star. But, he looks chubby to me.

    Comments on Yanks Sign Brian McCann For $85 Million

    1. K-V-C
      November 23rd, 2013 | 9:28 pm

      I do not understand why the N.Y. Yankees continue to give out full no trade clauses. If the horrible francise Florida Marlins can have a ban on full no trade clauses and sign free agents why can’t the Yankees?!?

    2. McMillan
      November 23rd, 2013 | 9:47 pm

      We’ve all been waiting for Brian “The Stalking Horse” Cashman to emerge from the weeds he’s been lying in to “strike,” and he’s finally struck – although who would have imagined that it would have come in the form of a free agent signing?

      And not just a free agent signing, but a free agent signing of a non-pitcher to a contract that could total $100 million with a vesting option? Has anyone asked Brian McCann what he thinks of the starting rotation he’ll be working with?

    3. PHMDen
      November 23rd, 2013 | 10:12 pm

      The bad news is Cashman won’t have a first-round pick in next year’s amateur draft, because Atlanta had made McCann a qualifying offer, and he declined.

    4. Scout
      November 24th, 2013 | 12:30 am

      Given what Cashman’s track record with first-round picks, I’ll happily take a “chubby,” power-hitting catcher any time. This gives the young catchers in the organization a chance to develop. When McCann’s legs start to give way, he should be a solid DH. This is a HUGE upgrade over what the Yankees put behind the plate last year.

    5. Evan3457
      November 24th, 2013 | 4:43 am

      As with other signings of other top players who are 30 or older, this contract will likely be good for 1-3 years, then not so good thereafter. If the Yanks are lucky, he’ll continue to hit tolerably well even if he’s physically unable to catch regularly, allowing them to play him at first after Teixeira’s deal is done, or at DH.

      Is this a good contract? Short term, probably. Long-term, probably not.

    6. Evan3457
      November 24th, 2013 | 4:44 am

      McCann turns 30 in February, and will play his 1st season for the Yanks at that age.

    7. November 24th, 2013 | 8:55 am

      I would like to see this deal for $15 million less. Or, I would like to see it for 4 years only. But, this is Brian Cashman. He’s always over spending, one way or another…

    8. Scout
      November 24th, 2013 | 9:07 am

      The market drives contract value and length. Every one of us would agree that a shorter deal would be preferable, but that isn’t what the market dictates. So the choice here is to hold fast at four years and $70 million and risk seeing some other team offer more or bid higher. Will the Yankees pay for a year or two of his decline? Likely. But far less of McCann’s decline than A-Rod’s of Sabbathia’s.

    9. JeremyM
      November 24th, 2013 | 9:48 am

      Since when did catchers start dropping dead at age 33? People act like it’s a common occurrence, but I can think of very few good ones who were moved off the position at that point over the last fifteen years or so.

    10. redbug
      November 24th, 2013 | 11:48 am

      I think it’s a good deal. He’s a lefty w/ power. A decent catcher. Known as a very good teammate who works well w/ pitchers.

      He sure is a huge upgrade over Stewart and Cervelli.

      Cashman got the best catcher available for a not crazy price or term.

    11. Evan3457
      November 24th, 2013 | 11:54 am

      JeremyM wrote:

      Since when did catchers start dropping dead at age 33? People act like it’s a common occurrence, but I can think of very few good ones who were moved off the position at that point over the last fifteen years or so.

      The last fifteen years or so is mostly in the PED era of artificially extending the good times of their careers. Better living through chemistry. Much harder to get away with that now.

    12. Evan3457
      November 24th, 2013 | 12:13 pm

      A lot of great catchers stopped catching full time by age 32.

      Some didn’t: Hartnett, Cochrane (whose career was basically ended by getting hit in the head by a pitch by Bump Hadley of the Yankees in 1937. Dickey managed one very good half season against inferior competition in a war league in 1943. Schang played well as a regular into his late 30′s.

      And then there’s Carlton Fisk.

      Ivan Rodriguez and Mike Piazza? Well, you know the story there.

      And these are the Hall of Famers. Is McCann a Hall of Famer? I don’t think so, not unless he manages to play and hit well for his entire Yankee contract. If he does, he’ll make it into the top 25 in career WAR for catchers, maybe the top 20.

    13. Raf
      November 24th, 2013 | 1:13 pm

      K-V-C wrote:

      I do not understand why the N.Y. Yankees continue to give out full no trade clauses. If the horrible francise Florida Marlins can have a ban on full no trade clauses and sign free agents why can’t the Yankees?!?

      If the Yankees decide they’d like to trade Brian McCann, they will. Maybe the Yankees buy out the clause, maybe he waives the clause for extra years/money. The NTC won’t be much of a hindrance.

    14. Kamieniecki
      November 24th, 2013 | 2:59 pm

      JeremyM wrote:

      Since when did catchers start dropping dead at age 33?

      Have you forgotten Jorge Posada already?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      As with other signings of other top players who are 30 or older, this contract will likely be good for 1-3 years, then not so good thereafter.

      This $85-100 million contract will likely be good for 1-3 years? I certainly hope so.

    15. JeremyM
      November 24th, 2013 | 3:06 pm

      I sure didn’t nor did I forget his .950 OPS at age 35. As far as his defense, he was always subpar with the glove.

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      JeremyM wrote:
      Since when did catchers start dropping dead at age 33?
      Have you forgotten Jorge Posada already?
      Evan3457 wrote:
      As with other signings of other top players who are 30 or older, this contract will likely be good for 1-3 years, then not so good thereafter.
      This $85-100 million contract will likely be good for 1-3 years? I certainly hope so.

    16. Kamieniecki
      November 24th, 2013 | 3:16 pm

      @ JeremyM:
      Yep. And I believe his OPS at age 35 might have been higher.

      It’s a brilliant move by Cashman, signing the best catcher available on the free agent market for $85-100 million to replace Cervelli/Stewart without an option in the farm system; not a lot of G.M.s would have even considered it.

    17. McMillan
      November 24th, 2013 | 3:35 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      It’s a brilliant move by Cashman, signing the best catcher available on the free agent market for $85-100 million to replace Cervelli/Stewart without an option in the farm system; not a lot of G.M.s would have even considered it.

      That’s why he’s the highest-paid G.M. in baseball, or at least he was until recently. It’s a shame that all of the top pitching talent the farm system was brimming with a few years ago did not pan out.

    18. Kamieniecki
      November 24th, 2013 | 3:42 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      That’s why he’s the highest-paid G.M. in baseball, or at least he was until recently. It’s a shame that all of the top pitching talent the farm system was brimming with a few years ago did not pan out.

      @ McMillan:
      Cashman’s Killer B’s – Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman, and Kim Brennan were all lost to bad luck.

    19. McMillan
      November 24th, 2013 | 3:56 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Cashman’s Killer B’s – Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman, and Kim Brennan were all lost to bad luck.

      “All You Need Is Luck,” as John Lennon once said. Or was it Billy Beane?

      Raf wrote:

      If the Yankees decide they’d like to trade Brian McCann…

      Posada was the team’s catcher from 1997-2010.

      McCann hasn’t even passed his physical yet, and people are already talking about moving him to first base, or trading him.

    20. PHMDen
      November 24th, 2013 | 8:37 pm

      Scout wrote:

      Given what Cashman’s track record with first-round picks, I’ll happily take a “chubby,” power-hitting catcher any time.

      Agreed.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Is McCann a Hall of Famer? … not unless he manages to play and hit well for his entire Yankee contract. If he does, he’ll make it into the top 25 in career WAR for catchers, maybe the top 20.

      No chance.

    21. Mr. October
      November 25th, 2013 | 12:05 am

      redbug wrote:

      Cashman got the best catcher available for a not crazy price or term.

      A chimpanzee (sometimes colloquially chimp) could have made this move.

    22. #15
      November 25th, 2013 | 12:40 am

      The Yankees just got better, so I’m happy about that. Stewart is a capable back-up. Sanchez can develop over time. Cisco can go play in the Mexican League. Montero???? We are set behind the plate better than we’ve been in years.

    23. Evan3457
      November 25th, 2013 | 2:24 am

      Mr. October wrote:

      redbug wrote:
      Cashman got the best catcher available for a not crazy price or term.
      A chimpanzee (sometimes colloquially chimp) could have made this move.

      I take it then that this personality thinks the McCann signing is a no-brainer. Good.

      If it backfires a year or two from now, I don’t expect any complaints about it, or about Cashman for doing it, Sybil.

    24. redbug
      November 25th, 2013 | 8:38 am

      @ Evan3457:

      I didn’t write, “A chimpanzee (sometimes colloquially chimp) could have made this move.” Mr October did

    25. Evan3457
      November 25th, 2013 | 8:42 pm

      redbug wrote:

      @ Evan3457:
      I didn’t write, “A chimpanzee (sometimes colloquially chimp) could have made this move.” Mr October did

      I know. I quoted Mr. October (see name above blockquote) and kept your quote in for context with respect to his reply.

    26. Kamieniecki
      November 25th, 2013 | 10:01 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Well, I’m weighing the ERA, starts and decisions of their #2, #3, and #4 starters from last year in that:

      Burnett 13-9, 4.04
      Pettitte, 14-8, 4.16
      Chamberlain, 9-6 4.75

      If Vazquez starts 34 games, he can reasonably expect somewhere between 23-25 decisions, and taking the average of those ERA and WPCT above, that means something like 14-9 and 15-10 for an ERA of 4.33 [in 2010]…

      As a baseline, I think that Javy is capable of something similar, even if his work in key spots is lacking. So he might wind up something like 16-8, even with an ERA of 4.50 or so.

      http://waswatching.com/2010/03/30/the-javier-vazquez-question/
      @ Evan3457:
      This model or approach worked so well in Mar., 2010 forecasting Javier Vazquez’s 2010 season totals, I was wondering if you have something similar for an offensive player, or McCann?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Cashman

      He did mean well.

    27. McMillan
      November 25th, 2013 | 10:47 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      A chimpanzee (sometimes colloquially chimp) could have made this move.

      Cashman as a chimpanzee gives “Bedtime for Bonzo” quite a different connotation.

    28. Evan3457
      November 26th, 2013 | 7:37 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Well, I’m weighing the ERA, starts and decisions of their #2, #3, and #4 starters from last year in that:
      Burnett 13-9, 4.04
      Pettitte, 14-8, 4.16
      Chamberlain, 9-6 4.75
      If Vazquez starts 34 games, he can reasonably expect somewhere between 23-25 decisions, and taking the average of those ERA and WPCT above, that means something like 14-9 and 15-10 for an ERA of 4.33 [in 2010]…
      As a baseline, I think that Javy is capable of something similar, even if his work in key spots is lacking. So he might wind up something like 16-8, even with an ERA of 4.50 or so.
      http://waswatching.com/2010/03/30/the-javier-vazquez-question/
      @ Evan3457:
      This model or approach worked so well in Mar., 2010 forecasting Javier Vazquez’s 2010 season totals,

      You keep citing this in thread after thread as if it’s some big score for you, or some big shame for me. That’s funny. And sad. At the same time.

      I was wondering if you have something similar for an offensive player, or McCann?

      Take the average of his last 3 seasons, add a few HRs and RBI for the change in ballparks, take away a little because he’s just leaving his prime. Seems about right, barring serious injury.

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Cashman
      He did mean well.

      As opposed to meaning nothing, like most of your replies.

    29. McMillan
      November 26th, 2013 | 10:04 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      You keep citing this in thread after thread as if it’s some big score for you…

      Kamieniecki shoots… Kamieniecki scores!!!!!!

    30. Evan3457
      November 27th, 2013 | 12:28 am

      McMillan wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      You keep citing this in thread after thread as if it’s some big score for you…
      Kamieniecki shoots… Kamieniecki scores!!!!!!

      Both sad and funny that you always use one of your sockpuppets to praise another. Par for the course for you, Sybil.

    31. Sockpuppets R Us
      November 27th, 2013 | 12:30 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Both sad and funny that you always use one of your sockpuppets to praise another. Par for the course for you, Sybil.

      Hat trick for Evan3457! On only one shot!!

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