• “What Did Manny Ramirez Take In 2008 And 2009?”

    Posted by on January 13th, 2014 · Comments (14)

    Reportedly, this is what A-Rod said to Tony Bosch when he approached him, wanting to become his client.

    I can’t get that out of my head. It reminds me that, again, reportedly, this is why Barry Bonds started doping – because he was envious of Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa.

    It’s just amazing that these guys (Bonds, A-Rod) were on Hall of Fame paths and their greed for greater stats got them into so much trouble. Or, was it more insecurity than greed? Either way, albeit driven by ego or lack of confidence, Barry and Alex made their beds and now have to deal with it.

    Comments on “What Did Manny Ramirez Take In 2008 And 2009?”

    1. #15
      January 13th, 2014 | 1:41 pm

      Really? How much did Manny make in, or because of his performance in, those years?

      I hope MLB asked Bosch for the names of all the guys he’s sold PED’s. Not just the guys in the current dust up. That list would shake things up.

      Also, Bosch came across as far from a genius. Yet all the guys on the current listing passed their tests (perhaps sans Braun). Where does baseball go from here if they can’t detect this kind of “game day” or “in-game” usage. Their testers clearly aren’t ready for prime time.

      MLB probably has the players union on the run on the topic of PED testing going into the next CBA. They need to press their advantage if their goal is to clean up the game.

    2. McMillan
      January 13th, 2014 | 2:01 pm

      Will the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency strip Cashman of his one (1) title won as an autonomous G.M. (2009), as it stripped Lance Armstrong of his Tour de France titles (7)? Both were the result of doping…

    3. Evan3457
      January 13th, 2014 | 2:22 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      Will the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency strip Cashman of his one (1) title won as an autonomous G.M. (2009), as it stripped Lance Armstrong of his Tour de France titles (7)? Both were the result of doping…

      The Dynasty Teams also had several dopers on it (as per the Mitchell Report). Are you sure you want to go there?

    4. January 13th, 2014 | 2:24 pm

      Yeah, I am started to be convinced that every team who won a World Series since 2000 had some PEDs guys on it. Maybe even before that…

    5. McMillan
      January 13th, 2014 | 3:14 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      The Dynasty Teams also had several dopers on it (as per the Mitchell Report)…

      The Dynasty Teams that had all of that “luck” hitting with RISP from 1996-2001; “luck” that the 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2011, and 2012 teams all did not have? I’m aware of that fact. I believe the name Clemens appeared on the Mitchell Report, but names such as Wells and Johnson did not, IIRC.

      What might the outcome for the $209 million 2009 team have been without Rodriguez having a postseason that “was one of the best overall offensive performances by a single player on a [World Championship team] in [30 years of baseball history] – if not the best ‘such season’… ever” – five years before that same player received the “most severe punishment in the history of baseball’s drug agreement?” Team Cashman might not have even 1 A.L. Pennant since 2005 without that performance…

    6. Kamieniecki
      January 13th, 2014 | 4:28 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      What might the outcome for the $209 million 2009 team have been without Rodriguez having a postseason that “was one of the best overall offensive performances by a single player on a [World Championship team] in [30 years of baseball history]..

      2009 BAVGs
      A.L.D.S.: Rodriguez: .455; other starters: .200;
      A.L.C.S.: Rodriguez: .429; other starters: .256;
      W.S.: Rodriguez: .250; other starters: .272.*

      *There might have been a problem with A-Rod’s W.S. shipment… but his OPS was .973, second only to Matsui.

    7. JeremyM
      January 13th, 2014 | 10:25 pm

      Would he really ask for the same thing that Ramirez was busted using?!? That doesn’t pass the smell test with me. Ramirez was suspended for 50 games in 2009.

    8. Corey
      January 13th, 2014 | 11:05 pm

      What i’m curious about is…if he took these drugs, they didn’t appear in his stat lines. What’s up with that?

    9. Evan3457
      January 14th, 2014 | 12:19 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      Yeah, I am started to be convinced that every team who won a World Series since 2000 had some PEDs guys on it. Maybe even before that…

      Clemens and Knoblauch were on the 1999 and 2000 Yankees. Knoblauch was on the 1998 Yankees. Justice was on the 2000 Yankees. Denny Neagle and Mike Stanton were also in the Mitchell Report. Andy Pettitte was as well, but that was for 2002 when the Yanks didn’t win the pennant.

    10. Evan3457
      January 14th, 2014 | 12:25 am

      Of course, David Ortiz was named as having failed a PED test in 2003. Manny Ramirez has been suspended for it twice.
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      Maybe one or two of the Cleveland Indians players of the mid-90′s, I’d think. The A’s of the late 80′s-early 90′s. The Phillies of the early 90′s (Lenny Dykstra, if no one else). Sheffield played right for the 1997 Marlins. Was he using back then? Probably not, but who can say. Justice played for the Braves team that won it all in 1995.

      The first major offensive explosive in the modern era was in 1987.

      Speculation like this can go on and on and on.

    11. January 14th, 2014 | 8:45 am

      Corey wrote:

      What i’m curious about is…if he took these drugs, they didn’t appear in his stat lines. What’s up with that?

      Maybe they did appear? Yeah, he only hit .240. But, maybe, without them, he would have only hit .180? You don’t know…but, it’s possible.

    12. Mr. October
      January 14th, 2014 | 3:29 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Clemens and Knoblauch were on the 1999 and 2000 Yankees.

      “The Dynasty Teams” were 1996-2001, not 1999-2000. What players from the 1996-2001 championship teams did the Mitchell Commission report link to PED use before 2000, with the exception of Clemens? And what players were important post-season contributors, besides Neagle?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      The first major offensive explosive in the modern era was in 1987.

      1987 had nothing to do with performance enhancing drugs.

    13. Kamieniecki
      January 14th, 2014 | 4:59 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      1987 had nothing to do with performance enhancing drugs.

      I always thought Dale Sveum and a lot of other players all took PEDs for one year in 1987, and then simply stopped…

    14. McMillan
      January 21st, 2014 | 1:02 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      “The Dynasty Teams” were 1996-2001, not 1999-2000.

      The Dynasty Years should have been from 1996-2005, but somehow this organization went off track sometime between Feb. 1, 1998, and Feb. 3, 1998.

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