• Hal Stein On The State Of The Yankees

    Posted by on January 16th, 2014 · Comments (29)

    Via Barry Bloom -

    MLB.com: Where are you guys on the Tanaka negotiations right now?

    Steinbrenner: We all know what the deadline is Jan. 24 so something is going to happen with someone by then. He’s certainly one of the pitchers [we're interested in]. Pitching, starting pitching, is an area I believe we still need some help. We’re looking at a number of possibilities and we’re talking to a number of people.

    MLB.com: So, you have a month to go to Spring Training. Where do you feel the Yankees are at this point?

    Steinbrenner: I think our offense is significantly improved from last year even before all the injuries. We’re bringing some exciting guys to the club, the guys we signed. I think the fans are excited. I still think pitching is a concern. But we’re going to keep plugging away here.

    MLB.com: How about second base and third base as you’re making transitions away from Robinson Cano and A-Rod?

    Steinbrenner: Obviously, we have Brian Roberts. Let’s see if he can stay healthy. He can be very impactful. We picked up Dean Anna from San Diego, a young guy. We have Kelly Johnson. We’ve got Eduardo Nunez. Joe [manager Joe Girardi] is going to have to figure a few things out. We can’t go out and get a big-time free agent at every position.

    MLB.com: Last year was tough for the Yankees in the standings, attendance, TV ratings. What’s your sense of it now?

    Steinbrenner: Everything right now looks pretty good. Last year, I don’t know how many times we used the disabled list, [numerous] times. We had a team in late April that wasn’t the team we had on March 1. It was just unbelievable. I’ve never seen anything like it. That was all bound to happen. New York is a star town. The fans want to come out to see Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira. That’s what they’ve grown to love and that’s what they want to see. That was tough, but hopefully that’s behind us and we’ll have a more normal year when it comes to injuries and the team we hope and the fans expect to see is on the field.

    MLB.com: You’re coming out of an era now when you had your core guys to surround with other good players: Jeter, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada. Even with Jeter coming back, that’s basically over. How do you feel about that?

    Steinbrenner: That’s a very special four guys. It’s tough. I wish our Minor Leagues were a little bit better than they are. I wish that some of the prospects we were so excited about had panned out the way we thought and hoped they would. But it is what it is. We’re going to have to find some answers from within. We’re pretty aggressive in the free-agent market. You can tell that. We did what we needed to do to field this team to be a championship-caliber team.

    …Pitching, starting pitching, is an area I believe we still need some help…

    …I still think pitching is a concern…

    …I wish our Minor Leagues were a little bit better than they are. I wish that some of the prospects we were so excited about had panned out the way we thought and hoped they would…

    When I hear the owner of the team say  these things, I want to scream!

    No, not because they are not true – as he’s dead right with all these comments.  More so, I want to scream – and puke! – because no one is ever held accountable for bringing cause to these issues and states.  There is no accountability on the Yankees any more.  RIP Big Stein.

    Comments on Hal Stein On The State Of The Yankees

    1. KPOcala
      January 16th, 2014 | 3:39 am

      There hasn’t been “accountability”, not the fair kind, since when, the early sixties? All I ever saw of George for somebody to be used as the scapegoat, then brought back if he kept his mouth shut. If you played “Frankie Pentangeli”, you and your were always taken care of. And before we get too weepy, let’s not forget those long, 18 years between titles. That alone makes me want to take the Peter Gammons of the world and tie them to the whipping post, when they utter the the phrases about “buying titles”, “unlimited resources buying titles”, and other slogans. At least the Man DID reinvest his money into the club. People instead should be pissed at the Dodgers, Cleveland (who burned up a Machine And a gold mine), and those sorry clubs out of Chicago. The fans get what they deserve, beers and brats. So yeah, Hal’s mouth moves, but I can’t hear what he’s saying, but THAT’S NOT the worst part of it. What has gotten sickening is the team allowing Jeter to hold them hostage. Jeter needs to be moved to third or DH, he needs to be sat down and be told how it’s going to be. The Yanks need Drew, and there isn’t any question about it. As things stand, no Tanaka, no SS who can field, no bullpen, and the Yanks barring a miracle out of the minors (it does happen) are doomed to lose 90 games. They suck, it’s been coming, let’s see what they do with the ARod money (they’d Better have a Normandy Invasion in their folders).

    2. Greg H.
      January 16th, 2014 | 2:19 pm

      @ KPOcala:
      Agree with most of this. Right now, no one, including Prince Hal, has any stones in the front office. Big Stein had too many stones. They need to find a balance somehow. The Jeter thing pisses me off too. And I love Jeter, but come on. Him playing third would change things quite a bit. A light hitting middle infield wouldn’t trouble me if the defense was there. They need to sign Tanaka, and if they do, the pitching will be good enough. They won’t suck (no way they’re 90 game losers) but as it stands a lot will need to go right to have a good run at it.

    3. Kamieniecki
      January 16th, 2014 | 5:25 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      They won’t suck (no way they’re 90 game losers) but as it stands a lot will need to go right to have a good run at it.

      That’s a great place to be, after spending $2.25-2.50 billion in the last 10 years; it’s completely reasonable to need “a lot to go right” to have “a good run” at a second pennant in year 11.

      Hal Stein spoke:

      … We did what we needed to do to field this team to be a championship-caliber team.

      Nonsense. The 1996-2001 teams were “championship-caliber” teams that won championships. The 2005-2012 teams were division title-caliber teams that got enough from Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, and Galea to win in 2009.

      To be a “championship-caliber” team, a team has to have more than one no. 1 or no. 2-caliber starting pitcher. In Tanaka, this team might have two. Boston is “championship-caliber;” Detroit is “championship-caliber;” this team isn’t close to Boston or Detroit yet.

    4. McMillan
      January 16th, 2014 | 6:45 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      no bullpen

      It’s unfortunate a 3-time All-Star, 3-time Saves leader, and future 2011 Rookie-of-the-Year candidate wasn’t available before the third round of the 2007 amateur draft, Cashman might have picked such a pitcher ahead of Andrew Brackman.

    5. Mr. October
      January 16th, 2014 | 7:34 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      Tanaka

      Is it just me, or is it every time that I read something about Masahiro Tanaka, he has 1 more mph of velocity on his fastball? It’s now up to 97.

      McMillan wrote:

      It’s unfortunate a 3-time All-Star, 3-time Saves leader, and future 2011 Rookie-of-the-Year candidate wasn’t available before the third round of the 2007 amateur draft, Cashman might have picked such a pitcher ahead of Andrew Brackman.

      Kimbrel wasn’t a “candidate,” he WAS the National League ROY in ’11, by unanimous vote.

    6. KPOcala
      January 16th, 2014 | 9:07 pm

      @ Mr. October: LOL! I believe Darrell Rasner was quoted as saying that he can reach back, and ‘Throw It’ when needed. But you are behind the curve, rumors are rampant that he Could sit at 105 for six innings if he wanted to…… Of course, Ichiro could/can, hit a homer at will, ‘if needed by the team….’

    7. KPOcala
      January 16th, 2014 | 9:14 pm

      If the Yankees can score Tanaka, it would almost “have” to follow that they sign Drew, one more major starter, and anyone of “real value”. The last, so that they could ‘flip a trade’, for someone who can be had, who can actually play. If they do nothing but sign Tanaka, this team will be horrible. And someone who spent my twenties and half my thirties watching the Yankees, I KNOW horror…….

    8. LMJ229
      January 16th, 2014 | 11:10 pm

      Steinbrenner:
      “We’re going to have to find some answers from within.”

      Well then you’re going to have to find a new GM.

    9. Mr. October
      January 17th, 2014 | 1:43 pm

      @ KPOcala:
      I haven’t seen any video with Tanaka breaking 151 km/hr (93.8 mph), and I haven’t seen 90 mph splitters, but maybe I’m looking at pre-PED footage.

    10. McMillan
      January 17th, 2014 | 4:58 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      If you played “Frankie Pentangeli”, you and your were always taken care of.

      Or “Fredo Corleone,” in the case of Brian Cashman today…
      I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect! … I swear to God, Louise, I’m gonna belt you right in the cheek… Every time I offered a free agent $82.5-180 million I said a Hail Mary, and every time I said a Hail Mary I signed a free agent… It’s true, that’s the secret…

      KPOcala wrote:

      I believe Darrell Rasner was quoted as saying that he can reach back, and ‘Throw It’ when needed. But you are behind the curve, rumors are rampant that he Could sit at 105 for six innings if he wanted to

      Andruw Jones was quoted as saying Tanaka should not be compared to Darvish:
      He didn’t strike a lot of people out like Darvish… He has a very good split-finger… And he started working on a changeup toward the end of the season. He’s a tremendous fielder. If he does all those things, he’s got a good chance…” It’s nice to know Tanaka might have a good chance…

    11. Kamieniecki
      January 17th, 2014 | 9:38 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      If they do nothing but sign Tanaka, this team will be horrible.

      The infield, at least:

      “…First, Alex Rodriguez was suspended for the entire 2014 season. Second, it was revealed that the team is unlikely to sign any other free agents to a major league deal before spring training. In other words, what you see is what you get. And that might be quite unsightly. In fact, it could end up being the worst infield in the Yankees’ soon-to-be 114-year history…”

      How many G.M.s has this franchise had in 114 years? Which G.M. had the second-worst infield in franchise history?

    12. KPOcala
      January 17th, 2014 | 11:53 pm

      @ McMillan: LOL! Can’t top that ;)

    13. KPOcala
      January 18th, 2014 | 12:07 am

      @ LMJ229: You know, maybe, probably, it IS the GM. But if they brought in “The Best”, then what? Right now, the Yanks are in the middle of No Man’s Land. They won’t pick high enough to get a impact, quick to the Majors player (although that could change by next year), the free agents are all “iffy”, everyone says they’re “overpriced” but hell, it’s been a players market for a few years (for the top half F/A’s, anyway), and the Yankees have nobody to trade. What I REALLY fear the most is that the Yankees could become like the eighties teams when they couldn’t GIVE their money away (see Maddux, Greg), and they are overly afraid of a man they are paying, Jeter. And give Drew his money. As I’ve written above, they need to grow a pair, move on a guy like Ubaldo, which may entice Tanaka (and maybe it makes Tanaka’s hammer a bit smaller), and if Tanaka falls through,get one of the remaining top pitchers, and just pay for the best bullpen free agents, and pray. This mincing around like they are the Twins is sickening. Unless, unless, they’ve got some international guys that they’ve signed, that nobody knows anything about (total pipedream, I know). I just can’t believe that the Yankees are looking to go to war with that infield/bullpen/starting staff. It just can’t be, can it?

    14. Evan3457
      January 18th, 2014 | 11:55 am

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      KPOcala wrote:
      If they do nothing but sign Tanaka, this team will be horrible.
      The infield, at least:
      “…First, Alex Rodriguez was suspended for the entire 2014 season. Second, it was revealed that the team is unlikely to sign any other free agents to a major league deal before spring training. In other words, what you see is what you get. And that might be quite unsightly. In fact, it could end up being the worst infield in the Yankees’ soon-to-be 114-year history…”
      How many G.M.s has this franchise had in 114 years? Which G.M. had the second-worst infield in franchise history?

      Not likely, actually.

      Current Steamer/Oliver projections give the 4 players projected to start for the Yankees an approximate total of 5 WAR for the 2014 season. That makes it a bad infield, but not the worst in Yankees history. The four men listed as starters for the 1990 Yankees (Mattingly, Sax, Espinonza and Leyritz) had a total of about 1 WAR for the 1990 season. The starting infield for the 1925 Yankees (including Gehrig in his 1st season as a regular) put up a total of just over 1 WAR. Some of the Highlander teams had infields that had very low WAR totals, but that doesn’t count, because they weren’t the Yankees.

    15. KPOcala
      January 18th, 2014 | 1:07 pm

      @ Evan3457:Oh, Mannn, I feel better already ;)

    16. Kamieniecki
      January 18th, 2014 | 2:31 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      You know, maybe, probably, it IS the GM.

      Certainly, certainly.

      KPOcala wrote:

      But if they brought in “The Best”, then what?

      With a Dombrowski or a Friedman, and with $200-220 million payrolls, it will be back to winning pennants, and competing against the Dodgers for World Series Championships… The Dodgers, as an organization, are spending money and playing in League Championship Series and cultivating one of the best farm systems in M.L.B. – all without the head start Team Cashman had… It’s a shame Hal doesn’t have a lot more of his father in him…

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Not likely, actually.
      Current Steamer/Oliver projections give the 4 players projected to start for the Yankees an approximate total of 5 WAR for the 2014 season. That makes it a bad infield, but not the worst in Yankees history. The four men listed as starters for the 1990 Yankees (Mattingly, Sax, Espinonza and Leyritz) had a total of about 1 WAR for the 1990 season. The starting infield for the 1925 Yankees (including Gehrig in his 1st season as a regular) put up a total of just over 1 WAR. Some of the Highlander teams had infields that had very low WAR totals, but that doesn’t count, because they weren’t the Yankees.

      @ Evan3457:
      Actually, it’s a paragraph from an article posted on ESPN, not something from myself personally; actually, the calculation was based on most games played at an infield position in each season; actually, part of the paragraph, or the sentence “[s]econd, it was revealed that the team is unlikely to sign any other free agents to a major league deal before spring training,” is in reference to a previous post on this thread; and finally, the point is we shouldn’t be having a discussion about one of the worst infields in the 114-year history of a franchise that just spent something like $2.25 billion in the last decade on payroll.

      “… even if [Tanaka] lands in The Bronx, he won’t be able to solve the Yankees’ pitching issues by himself… Sabathia is coming off the worst season of his career, Kuroda swooned in the second half swoon, Nova is prone to bouts of inconsistency and the team lacks [a true no. 1 or no. 2 starter and] a clear fourth or fifth starter…
      The concern… is [Sabathia's] heavy workload over the years has caught up with him… Kuroda will turn 39 next month, and Rothschild said the Yankees will have to manage his innings better than they did a year ago, when Kuroda went 0-6 with a 6.56 ERA in his final eight starts…”

      http://nypost.com/2014/01/16/yankees-pitching-coach-has-his-work-cut-out-for-him/

      Actually.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Espinonza

      Alvaro’s last name was “Espinoza.”

      KPOcala wrote:

      Oh, Mannn, I feel better already

      This.

    17. McMillan
      January 18th, 2014 | 3:29 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      LOL! Can’t top that

      “Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo take care of some G.M. meetings somewhere! … I’m the general manager and everybody within the baseball operations department should report to me! I can handle things!” – Fredo Cashman to George M. Steinbrenner III, 2005, before the New York Yankees went on a historic run of winning one (1) American League Pennant every ten (10) years.

    18. Evan3457
      January 18th, 2014 | 3:59 pm

      Actually…

      The same Steamer/Oliver projections project:

      Sabathia at 3.6 WAR
      Kuroda at 3 WAR
      Nova at 2.5 WAR
      Phelps at 1.5 WAR
      Robertson at 1 WAR
      McCann at 4 WAR
      Gardner at 2.5 WAR
      Ellsbury at 3.8 WAR
      Beltran at 2 WAR
      Soriano at 1 WAR

      That covers the rotation, the closer and the rest of the lineup. Add the infield in at 5 WAR, and that’s 28.9 WAR without Tanaka. Let’s assume the rest of the bench and bullpen are -3 WAR, and let’s also assume that injury replacement knock off another 3 WAR.

      (Last year bench guys and part-times accounted for a collective -1 WAR. Last year’s bullpen, not counting Mariano and Robertson, was +3 WAR).

      That’s 22.9 WAR, without Tanaka (and you can assume replacement level 5th starter in that case). You want to take a more extreme scenario and knock off 6 WAR for injury replacment? That’s 20 WAR and puts them in between the Nationals and the Rangers. 86, 86, 91, 92, 94 wins.

      That’s pretty conservative on the projection side. So unless they have another season of injuries like last season, they look like they’re headed for 90 wins or better if they sign Tanaka, a couple games under 90 if they don’t sign any other starting pitcher, and right around 90 if they sign a different 4th starter via free agency.

      =====================================
      Can’t pick and choose among the projections. Accept the infield projections, accept the rest. Or reject them all.

    19. Kamieniecki
      January 18th, 2014 | 4:21 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      … So unless they have another season of injuries like last season…

      The most significant injury to the team in 2013 was Cashman’s health.

      All you have to do to project Masahiro Tanaka’s numbers for the 2014 season is simply average the 2013 numbers of Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, and Nova (http://waswatching.com/2010/03/30/the-javier-vazquez-question/), correct?

    20. Mr. October
      January 18th, 2014 | 7:02 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Steamer/Oliver

      Are these the same people who put the “value” of Ellsbury’s 2013 season at $30 mil?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Sabathia at 3.6 WAR

      Not likely.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Kuroda at 3 WAR

      What are the projections for the 39 yr old’s WAR from September, 2014 to October, 2014?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Ellsbury at 3.8 WAR

      With how many games on the DL?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      they look like they’re headed for 90 wins or better

      It’s a great team, and it’s going to be a great year, without a doubt. I’m looking forward to watching Kelly Johnson at second base, after all of those years with a nontalent like Cano there.

    21. McMillan
      January 18th, 2014 | 7:42 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      What are the projections for the 39 yr old’s WAR from September, 2014 to October, 2014?

      Doesn’t matter – it doesn’t matter if Kuroda has nothing left. The important thing is making it to the playoffs, because “the playoffs are a ‘pre-requisite’ to winning a title: you can’t win a title without making it to the playoffs first… therefore, making it to the playoffs is as important, if not more important, than winning the title itself.” And no one makes it to the playoffs better than The Checkbook G.M.

      I’m surprised Dodger ownership hasn’t pried Brian “God Help The Rest Of Baseball” Cashman away from the Yankees, with the unlimited financial resources it has…

    22. Evan3457
      January 19th, 2014 | 2:42 am

      Mr. October wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Steamer/Oliver
      Are these the same people who put the “value” of Ellsbury’s 2013 season at $30 mil?

      No. Steamer and Oliver are projection systems.
      The $28.9 million figure comes from multiplying his WAR from 2013 (5.8 WAR) by the marginal value of 1 WAR (Approximately $5 million per WAR).
      The value calculation is basically the same for every player.
      Evan3457 wrote:
      Sabathia at 3.6 WAR

      No, Evan3457 just copied the figure down. Steamer “wrote” 3.6 WAR. Oliver “wrote” 3.7 WAR.

      Not likely.

      Sabathia was 3.5 WAR in 2012, which was a significant decrease from his WAR in each of the six seasons previous to that. If healthy, it’s not unreasonable to expect he’ll get back above 3 WAR.

      What are the projections for the 39 yr old’s WAR from September, 2014 to October, 2014?

      There are no such projections. Nor can there be. For any player.

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Ellsbury at 3.8 WAR
      With how many games on the DL?

      Both systems project he plays between 143 and 146 games.
      Evan3457 wrote:
      they look like they’re headed for 90 wins or better
      It’s a great team, and it’s going to be a great year, without a doubt. I’m looking forward to watching Kelly Johnson at second base, after all of those years with a nontalent like Cano there.

    23. Evan3457
      January 19th, 2014 | 2:44 am

      Mr. October wrote:

      It’s a great team, and it’s going to be a great year, without a doubt. I’m looking forward to watching Kelly Johnson at second base, after all of those years with a nontalent like Cano there.

      Well, if you like you can ignore the counterbalancing obvious improvement at catcher, first base, and left and right field.

      I won’t, but you can. If you like.

    24. Evan3457
      January 19th, 2014 | 2:46 am

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      … So unless they have another season of injuries like last season…
      The most significant injury to the team in 2013 was Cashman’s health.
      All you have to do to project Masahiro Tanaka’s numbers for the 2014 season is simply average the 2013 numbers of Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, and Nova (http://waswatching.com/2010/03/30/the-javier-vazquez-question/), correct?

      No, not correct.
      I do have one projection, a reasonably conservative one from Baseball Forecaster/Baseball HQ. They project 160 innings, a 3.38 ERA, a 1.22 WHIP and 11 wins. If the Yanks sign him, I’ll take it.

    25. Evan3457
      January 19th, 2014 | 2:52 am

      McMillan wrote:

      Mr. October wrote:
      What are the projections for the 39 yr old’s WAR from September, 2014 to October, 2014?

      Doesn’t matter – it doesn’t matter if Kuroda has nothing left.
      In Kuroda’s only post-season with the Yanks, he pitched a good game vs. the O’s in the ALDS, and another good game vs. the Tigers in the ALDS. In his entire post-season career, he’s had 1 terrible start, and 4 good to excellent starts.

      The important thing is making it to the playoffs, because “the playoffs are a ‘pre-requisite’ to winning a title: you can’t win a title without making it to the playoffs first…

      Well, yeah. Duhhhhh.

      therefore, making it to the playoffs is as important, if not more important, than winning the title itself.”

      Another nifty straw man from Sybil, The Sultana of Straw. Never said that, or anything like that.

    26. Kamieniecki
      January 19th, 2014 | 3:50 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      No, not correct.
      I do have one projection, a reasonably conservative one from Baseball Forecaster/Baseball HQ.

      @ Evan3457:
      What happened with that great “projection system” you came up with – the one that you used in Mar., 2010 to “project” a 16-8 W-L record (and 4.50 E.R.A.) for Javier Vazquez for the 2010 season – by averaging the 2009 statistics of Burnett, Pettitte, and Chamberlain? Or is that the same system that “Baseball Forecaster/Baseball HQ” has since adopted, or implemented?

    27. Evan3457
      January 19th, 2014 | 4:30 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      No, not correct.
      I do have one projection, a reasonably conservative one from Baseball Forecaster/Baseball HQ.
      @ Evan3457:
      What happened with that great “projection system” you came up with – the one that you used in Mar., 2010 to “project” a 16-8 W-L record (and 4.50 E.R.A.) for Javier Vazquez for the 2010 season – by averaging the 2009 statistics of Burnett, Pettitte, and Chamberlain? Or is that the same system that “Baseball Forecaster/Baseball HQ” has since adopted, or implemented?

      @Sybil
      Whatever happened to your brain, the one that used to function?
      As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, five other more sophisticated projection systems also projected Vazquez’ performance for 2010, and all of them made worse projections that I did. Some, far worse.

      Baseball Forecaster has been around since the 80′s. That you don’t know about only highlights your general ignorance and constitutes no relevant argument on your part.

      ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Shandler )

      I’d print other forecasts on Tanaka, but I haven’t seen any yet. If published reports are to be believed, the Cubs, D’backs, Dodgers and White Sox have also made formal offers to Tanaka, and all of the five offers (Yankees included) were worth more than $100 over 6 years. This means at least five teams project Tanaka to be at least a #2 starter, including Theo Epstein’s Cubs, and the Dodgers (whom you consider to be very well run).

      It also means that:
      1) If the Yankees manage to land Tanaka, AND
      2) he pitches badly, or suffers a serious arm injury, then…
      3) no intelligent person can fault Cashman, or the Yankees’s scouts or Hal, or Hank, or Trost, or Levine, or whoever made the ultimate decision to make the offer.

      No intelligent person, I say.
      Schizophrenic “six-headed” trolls will continue to do whatever they please. It’s all right; lots of pairs of clown shoes left to award.

    28. Kamieniecki
      January 19th, 2014 | 4:52 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, five other more sophisticated projection systems…

      @ Evan3457:
      “More sophisticated” than your “projection system?” That’s hard to believe…

      http://waswatching.com/2010/03/30/the-javier-vazquez-question/

      Evan3457 wrote:

      It also means that:
      1) If the Yankees manage to land Tanaka, AND
      2) he pitches badly… then…
      3) no intelligent person can fault Cashman, or the Yankees’s scouts or Hal, or Hank, or Trost, or Levine, or whoever made the ultimate decision to make the offer.

      No it doesn’t: it simply means that Team Cashman got it wrong again when it comes to starting pitching, and will have to write off another $100-40 mil.; the decisions, and reported interests, of other general managers or teams is completely irrelevant and unrelated to the fact that, once again, this team will not have the pitching to compete in October.

    29. Evan3457
      January 20th, 2014 | 6:40 am

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, five other more sophisticated projection systems…
      @ Evan3457:
      “More sophisticated” than your “projection system?” That’s hard to believe…
      http://waswatching.com/2010/03/30/the-javier-vazquez-question/

      Here’s a projection from a guy who took his projections far more seriously, and it comes from a source you (and apparently only you) take seriously:

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/324642-quick-2010-fantasy-baseball-projection-javier-vazquez

      As you can see, his report was further off the mark than my quick and dirty projection.

      Here’s another:

      http://zellspinstripedblog.com/2010/02/25/javy-vazquez-2010-projection/

      …which also missed by more than I did.

      And another:

      http://fantasybaseballhotstove.com/2010/01/javier-vazquez-player-projection-no-66/

      …which missed by a lot more than I did.

      Baseball Prospectus, using its PECOTA system, projected 14-11, 3.85 ERA.
      Baseball Forecaster projected projected 14-9, 3.64 ERA

      ….which missed by a lot more in ERA than I did.

      So keep going back to that projection as if it says something about me, as if it’s something I should be ashamed. All it does it highlight yet again how foolish your evaluations are, and awards you…

      http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/243/9/3/clown_shoes_4th_pair_by_saboulogne-d2xqdw4.jpg

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Shandler
      Evan3457 wrote:
      It also means that:
      1) If the Yankees manage to land Tanaka, AND
      2) he pitches badly… then…
      3) no intelligent person can fault Cashman, or the Yankees’s scouts or Hal, or Hank, or Trost, or Levine, or whoever made the ultimate decision to make the offer.
      No it doesn’t: it simply means that Team Cashman got it wrong again when it comes to starting pitching, and will have to write off another $100-40 mil.; the decisions, and reported interests, of other general managers or teams is completely irrelevant and unrelated to the fact that, once again, this team will not have the pitching to compete in October.

      Wrong again, chump.

      If five teams are in the same place with regards to years and money, then that place is Tanaka’s objective value at this point, before he throws a pitch in the big leagues. The Dodgers certainly are not offering him that deal because they think he will fail. If the Yanks sign him and he does fail, then that will be the Yanks’ tough luck, and that’s all it will be.

      You’ve never played any fantasy baseball, have you? It shows.

      “the decisions, and reported interests, of other general managers or teams is completely irrelevant”

      LOL. What a maroon.

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