• Masahiro Tanaka

    Posted by on January 18th, 2014 · Comments (17)

    Between the Cubs pushing hard and his wife’s desire to be on the west coast, do the Yankees really have any shot to get this guy?

    Also, don’t be fool by the rhetoric of Hal Steinbrenner, Randy Levine, et al. They can (and do!) say all they want about the Yankees wanting to be a championship team. But, on the inside, all they care about is being under $189 million this year. And, they’re more than willing to have the team stink in 2014, if that what it takes.

    Comments on Masahiro Tanaka

    1. KPOcala
      January 19th, 2014 | 12:04 am

      You may be right. The way they are putting together the “infield”, and not, seemingly going for any solid bullpen help… On the other hand, if they DO land Tanaka, maybe Cashman pulls a “Michael Corleone”. Maybe.

    2. LMJ229
      January 19th, 2014 | 12:37 pm

      I really believed that the Yankees would not go above the $189M this year but you have to admit that their actions thus far have contradicted that. The Beltran signing pretty much ensured they would be going over.

    3. January 19th, 2014 | 1:49 pm

      How funny would it be if they JUST went over and the difference was the amount of salary paid to the now released Vernon Wells?

    4. Corey
      January 19th, 2014 | 1:51 pm

      I’m more worried about them giving Tanaka 8 years 160 and it turns out he’s worse than Igawa.

    5. McMillan
      January 19th, 2014 | 1:53 pm

      … Or the difference was the amount of monthly alimony paid to the now divorced Mary Bresnan.

    6. Kamieniecki
      January 19th, 2014 | 3:53 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      Team Cashman desperately needs a no. 1 or no. 2-caliber starting pitcher, and desperately needs Tanaka to be that starting pitcher without one inning of Major League experience, because, for one thing, the “top pitching  talent” that the farm system was supposedly “brimming with” two years ago is apparently still a few years away…

    7. Evan3457
      January 19th, 2014 | 4:14 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      @ Evan3457:
      Team Cashman desperately needs a no. 1 or no. 2-caliber starting pitcher, and desperately needs Tanaka to be that starting pitcher without one inning of Major League experience, because, for one thing, the “top pitching  talent” that the farm system was supposedly “brimming with” two years ago is apparently still a few years away…

      Nothing “supposedly” about it. Banuelos, Brackman and Betances were all in the Baseball America top 100 prospects for all of MLB in the 2011 pre-season. Betances and Banuelos were also in the MLB.com top 50 prospects in the 2012 pre-season.

    8. Evan3457
      January 19th, 2014 | 4:15 pm

      And that doesn’t include prospect who weren’t as well-regarded, such as Phelps, Warren and Nova.

    9. Mr. October
      January 19th, 2014 | 4:17 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Team Cashman desperately needs a no. 1 or no. 2-caliber starting pitcher…

      In lieu of the possibility of Masahiro Tanaka signing elsewhere, Cashman has been proactive in contacting Arn Tellem about any potential interest Mussina might have in pitching again.

    10. McMillan
      January 19th, 2014 | 4:26 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Nothing “supposedly” about it. Banuelos, Brackman and Betances were all in the Baseball America top 100 prospects

      What about the fourth “Killer ‘B’,” Kim Brennan?

      Mr. October wrote:

      In lieu of the possibility of Masahiro Tanaka signing elsewhere, Cashman has been proactive in contacting Arn Tellem about any potential interest Mussina might have in pitching again.

      Why not? Mussina’s still approximately the same that Roger Clemens was when Clemens was with Cashman’s 2007 “championship-caliber” team that went 1-3 in the postseason.

    11. Kamieniecki
      January 19th, 2014 | 4:39 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      … Banuelos, Brackman and Betances were all in the Baseball America top 100 prospects for all of MLB in the 2011 pre-season.

      Was that published in the April 1st edition?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      You [only] need two good starters and a halfway decent third [to win it all]…

      Brian Cashman should try to convince Colletti and Epstein that all their teams really need to win it all is “two good starters and a halfway decent third.” … Maybe then the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Chicago Cubs will back off Tanaka…

    12. PHMDen
      January 21st, 2014 | 7:11 pm

      Corey wrote:

      I’m more worried about them giving Tanaka 8 years 160 and it turns out he’s worse than Igawa.

      How is that even possible? Tanaka’s wife couldn’t be worse than Igawa.

    13. Kamieniecki
      January 21st, 2014 | 10:00 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Prove to me that it’s the pitching, and not the hitting, which determines who wins [in the postseason].

      “… As one executive from a team that has inquired on Tanaka said, ‘The Dodgers could justify it… [team president] Stan Kasten spent all those years in Atlanta with Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz and knows how powerful it is to have a core of starters to build around. He could have Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, and Tanaka all in their prime. That would be pretty hard to beat‘…”

      Someone with Kasten’s background and experience should understand that it’s more powerful to have a core of middle-of-the-lineup hitters to build around than starters… One would think that a graduate from Columbia Law School, and New York University, would have more intelligence or sense than that…

      Evan3457 wrote:

      That’s funny; because it looked to me like their poor hitting [not their pitching], especially in key spots, doomed [Team Cashman] in 2005, 2006, 2007…

      Stan Kasten must not have been paying attention to the A.L.D.S. in 2005, 2006, 2007… or the fine pitching performances of Johnson, Wang, Wright, Clemens, etc.

    14. MJ Recanati
      January 22nd, 2014 | 11:23 am

      Tanaka signed for 7Y/$155M with an opt-out after the fourth year.

    15. Evan3457
      January 22nd, 2014 | 3:04 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      … Banuelos, Brackman and Betances were all in the Baseball America top 100 prospects for all of MLB in the 2011 pre-season.
      Was that published in the April 1st edition?

      linky for you:
      http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2011/2611328.html

      Evan3457 wrote:
      You [only] need two good starters and a halfway decent third [to win it all]…
      Brian Cashman should try to convince Colletti and Epstein that all their teams really need to win it all is “two good starters and a halfway decent third.” … Maybe then the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Chicago Cubs will back off Tanaka…

      Is there a point in there somewhere? I don’t know what to call it, it’s not even worthy of being called a rant.

      In any event, I was thinking of teams such as the 1987 Twins (Viola-Blyleven-Straker) and the 1980 Phillies (Carlton-Christenson-Ruthven-Walk-Bystrom) and the 2009 Yankees (Sabathia-Pettitte-Burnett) when I wrote that. The 2006 Cardinals didn’t even have that much (Carpenter-Suppan-Weaver-Reyes).

    16. Evan3457
      January 22nd, 2014 | 3:23 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Prove to me that it’s the pitching, and not the hitting, which determines who wins [in the postseason].
      “… As one executive from a team that has inquired on Tanaka said, ‘The Dodgers could justify it… [team president] Stan Kasten spent all those years in Atlanta with Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz and knows how powerful it is to have a core of starters to build around. He could have Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, and Tanaka all in their prime. That would be pretty hard to beat‘…”
      Someone with Kasten’s background and experience should understand that it’s more powerful to have a core of middle-of-the-lineup hitters to build around than starters… One would think that a graduate from Columbia Law School, and New York University, would have more intelligence or sense than that…

      The Dodgers, of course, being a very good team, with a very high payroll, have spent their money pursuing both an excellent rotation AND an excellent lineup. (Kemp $21 million, Gonzalez $21 million, Crawford $20.25 million, Ethier $15.5 million, Ramirez $16 million). By my count, that’s 5 expensive hitters out of 9, and had they signed Tanaka, 3 expensive starters out fo 5. Seems like the Dodgers know you need both to win titles.

    17. PHMDen
      January 22nd, 2014 | 8:58 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      By my count, that’s 5 expensive hitters out of 9…

      “… [From 1972 to 2005 there had been] twenty-seven teams that made the postseason in spite of having below-average offenses. Of these, seven won the World Series… All of these teams, with the exception of Minnesota in 1987, had excellent pitching staffs; it’s hard to make the playoffs with a below average offense unless you have an excellent pitching staff…

      Conversely, twenty teams have made the postseason with below average run prevention. None of them won the World Series, and only two… even played for the championship. Sixteen of the twenty lost the first playoff series in which they played.” – Perry, Dayn; Woolner, Keith (2006). Jonah Keri, ed. Baseball Between the Numbers: Why Everything You Know about the Game Is Wrong. New York: Basic Books.

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