• Denver Vs. Seattle @ A Neutral Site

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    Enjoy the game.

    Comments on Denver Vs. Seattle @ A Neutral Site

    1. Kamieniecki
      January 31st, 2014 | 8:47 pm

      According to ESPN, Cashman predicted a Seattle 28-23 victory, and Levine is predicting a Denver 27-24 victory. Cashman is overruled again.

    2. McMillan
      January 31st, 2014 | 9:53 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Cashman predicted a Seattle 28-23 victory…

      I guess I’ll put my money on Denver.

    3. Kamieniecki
      February 1st, 2014 | 2:31 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      When I, or anyone else, say the post-season (sic) is a crapshoot, what we mean is that, going into the post-season (sic), there’s no way to determine who’s going to win, or who’s not going to win. That any of the… teams in the tournament can win.
      Some teams appear to have a better chance than others at the outset, but there have been so many series upsets and surprise champions that attempting to predict the outcome is a fool’s errand.

      Was there a way to determine that Denver was going to win the A.F.C., and Seattle was going to win the N.F.C., or who’s going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, or who’s not going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, at the outset of the postseason? Any of the teams in the tournament could’ve won. Some teams appeared to have a better chance than others at the outset, and there have been many upsets, and surprise champions, in the past. But it was a “fool’s errand” to pick Denver or Seattle?

      Why hasn’t New England won a Super Bowl in almost 10 years, with all of its division titles and all of its regular season wins? Is it because the N.F.L. postseason is a “crapshoot,” or because the Patriots haven’t had better defensive or more balanced teams overall? Or is New England somewhat of the N.F.L. equivalent of Team Cashman, only with more trips to a “semi-final” or “final” postseason round, and without the highest payrolls in the N.F.L. in every season?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Oh, I frequently have to repeat my explanations to the slow-track students, too.

      Oh, maybe the slow-track students can help you with the spelling of “postseason,” too: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/british/postseason?q=postseason; or http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/postseason?q=postseason.

      Oh, Denver was picked to win the A.F.C. by most before the beginning of the 2013-14 regular season, too… But the postseason is a “crapshoot,” or “mostly luck,” because there was “no way to determine” New England was not “going to win” Super Bowl XLVIII in the first week of January, 2014. Brilliant.

    4. Kamieniecki
      February 1st, 2014 | 2:32 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Prove to me that it’s the pitching, and not the hitting, which determines who wins… The hitting of one team in a series and the pitching of the other are two halves of the same coin.

      Joe Girardi said:

      “Seattle 20, Denver 17. Defense wins games.”

      @ Joe Girardi:
      Prove to me that it’s the defense, and not the offense, which determines who wins… The offense of one team in a football game, and the defense of the other, are two halves of the same coin, Girardi….

    5. McMillan
      February 1st, 2014 | 3:19 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Was there a way to determine that Denver was going to win the A.F.C., and Seattle was going to win the N.F.C., or who’s going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, or who’s not going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, at the outset of the postseason?

      If not, then why don’t we hear intelligent people referring to the National Football League playoffs as crapshoots on television every weekend from December to February, or in the print media, every year?

    6. Kamieniecki
      February 1st, 2014 | 8:11 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      “My (stuff) doesn’t work in the playoffs. My job is to get us to the playoffs. What happens after that is (bleeping) luck.”

      @ Evan3457:
      Was that John Schneider, or Billy Beane, again?

      Are these the words of an N.F.L. G.M. with the highest payroll in the N.F.L., or an M.L.B. G.M. with a payroll $150-75 million lower than the highest payroll in M.L.B.? Has the Seattle Seahawks G.M. ever said “My shit doesn’t work in the playoffs?”

      Evan3457 wrote:

      … That’s what a crapshoot is: it’s unpredictable. That’s why “predictability” is relevant. It is precisely the unpredictability of the post-season (sic) that makes it a crapshoot… predictability is the practical difference between crapshoot vs. no crapshoot… the words “(bleeping) luck” instead of unpredictable is (sic) a distinction without a real difference…

      “[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”
      
“[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”
      “[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”
      “[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”

      Repeated four times… maybe it will sink in..

      @ Evan3457:
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”

      Repeated four times… maybe it will sink in.

      The team that matches up against its opponent better or (bleeping) executes better will win Super Bowl XLVIII; if the Super Bowl is decided in the last two minutes of the game, or in overtime, then we can talk about luck in this particular game. I don’t’ want to hear about the “bad luck” of a wildcard team that was outplayed for three quarters of a game in 2006 that was assembled with the highest payroll in the N.F.L., and by a G.M. with the lowest I.Q. in the N.F.L.

    7. Mr. October
      February 1st, 2014 | 9:25 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Was there a way to determine that Denver was going to win the A.F.C., and Seattle was going to win the N.F.C., or who’s going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, or who’s not going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, at the outset of the postseason? Any of the teams in the tournament could’ve won. Some teams appeared to have a better chance than others at the outset, and there have been many upsets, and surprise champions, in the past. But it was a “fool’s errand” to pick Denver or Seattle?

      @ Raf,
      @ Evan3457:
      Do either of you “know” which team will win tomorrow? Why didn’t LaMar Hunt name Sunday’s game The Super Crapshoot?

    8. Mr. October
      February 2nd, 2014 | 3:00 pm

      Raf Kramden and Evan Norton wrote:

      Raf wrote:

      Dictionary.com wrote:

      Crapshoot: Anything unpredictable…

      Evan3457 wrote:

      crap•shoot (ˈkræpˌʃut)
      n. Informal.
an unpredictable venture; gamble.
      ========================================
      That’s what a crapshoot is: it’s unpredictable…. unless you can demonstrate the ability to predict these series, and we can compare your predictions to the results.
      THAT is the one and ONLY way you can prove the post-season isn’t a crapshoot.

      @ Raf,
      @ Evan3457:
      Is the television in Raf’s apartment this week, or Evan’s apartment? Or are you guys watching the Big Game at the Raccoon Lodge? No one’s publicly “demonstrated an ability to predict” the Super Bowl, so it’s unpredictable. If it’s unpredictable, that “proves” the Super Bowl is a “crapshoot.” If it’s a “crapshoot,” it must be “mostly luck.” Genius. WFAN has been providing 24-hour analysis on this game for 2 weeks, and the word “luck” hasn’t been mentioned once?

    9. Evan3457
      February 3rd, 2014 | 3:37 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Prove to me that it’s the pitching, and not the hitting, which determines who wins… The hitting of one team in a series and the pitching of the other are two halves of the same coin.
      Joe Girardi said:
      “Seattle 20, Denver 17. Defense wins games.”
      @ Joe Girardi:
      Prove to me that it’s the defense, and not the offense, which determines who wins… The offense of one team in a football game, and the defense of the other, are two halves of the same coin, Girardi….

      And when the play the World Series on a gridiron, that’ll be a valid example.

    10. Evan3457
      February 3rd, 2014 | 3:39 pm

      McMillan wrote:

      Kamieniecki wrote:
      Was there a way to determine that Denver was going to win the A.F.C., and Seattle was going to win the N.F.C., or who’s going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, or who’s not going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, at the outset of the postseason?
      If not, then why don’t we hear intelligent people referring to the National Football League playoffs as crapshoots on television every weekend from December to February, or in the print media, every year?

      Because in football, the aspect of physical dominance is much more decisive than it is in baseball. The two are not comparable. Not that the difference between the two will prevent someone like you from insisting they are equivalent.

    11. Evan3457
      February 3rd, 2014 | 3:41 pm

      Kamieniecki wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      “My (stuff) doesn’t work in the playoffs. My job is to get us to the playoffs. What happens after that is (bleeping) luck.”
      @ Evan3457:
      Was that John Schneider, or Billy Beane, again?
      Are these the words of an N.F.L. G.M. with the highest payroll in the N.F.L., or an M.L.B. G.M. with a payroll $150-75 million lower than the highest payroll in M.L.B.? Has the Seattle Seahawks G.M. ever said “My shit doesn’t work in the playoffs?”
      Evan3457 wrote:
      … That’s what a crapshoot is: it’s unpredictable. That’s why “predictability” is relevant. It is precisely the unpredictability of the post-season (sic) that makes it a crapshoot… predictability is the practical difference between crapshoot vs. no crapshoot… the words “(bleeping) luck” instead of unpredictable is (sic) a distinction without a real difference…
      “[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”
      
“[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”
      “[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”
      “[The postseason] is (bleeping) luck.”
      Repeated four times… maybe it will sink in..
      @ Evan3457:
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”
      “The Super Bowl is (bleeping) talent and execution.”
      Repeated four times… maybe it will sink in.
      The team that matches up against its opponent better or (bleeping) executes better will win Super Bowl XLVIII; if the Super Bowl is decided in the last two minutes of the game, or in overtime, then we can talk about luck in this particular game. I don’t’ want to hear about the “bad luck” of a wildcard team that was outplayed for three quarters of a game in 2006 that was assembled with the highest payroll in the N.F.L., and by a G.M. with the lowest I.Q. in the N.F.L.

      All that blather to posit a largely irrelevant argument. So sad.

    12. Evan3457
      February 3rd, 2014 | 3:43 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Kamieniecki wrote:
      Was there a way to determine that Denver was going to win the A.F.C., and Seattle was going to win the N.F.C., or who’s going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, or who’s not going to win Super Bowl XLVIII, at the outset of the postseason? Any of the teams in the tournament could’ve won. Some teams appeared to have a better chance than others at the outset, and there have been many upsets, and surprise champions, in the past. But it was a “fool’s errand” to pick Denver or Seattle?
      @ Raf,
      @ Evan3457:
      Do either of you “know” which team will win tomorrow? Why didn’t LaMar Hunt name Sunday’s game The Super Crapshoot?

      This year, chalk won the contest to get to the Super Bowl.
      Just for laughs, why was this game Denver -2 on the betting lines the day before?

    13. Evan3457
      February 3rd, 2014 | 3:44 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Raf Kramden and Evan Norton wrote:
      Raf wrote:
      Dictionary.com wrote:
      Crapshoot: Anything unpredictable…
      Evan3457 wrote:
      crap•shoot (ˈkræpˌʃut)
      n. Informal.
an unpredictable venture; gamble.
      ========================================
      That’s what a crapshoot is: it’s unpredictable…. unless you can demonstrate the ability to predict these series, and we can compare your predictions to the results.
      THAT is the one and ONLY way you can prove the post-season isn’t a crapshoot.
      @ Raf,
      @ Evan3457:
      Is the television in Raf’s apartment this week, or Evan’s apartment? Or are you guys watching the Big Game at the Raccoon Lodge? No one’s publicly “demonstrated an ability to predict” the Super Bowl, so it’s unpredictable. If it’s unpredictable, that “proves” the Super Bowl is a “crapshoot.” If it’s a “crapshoot,” it must be “mostly luck.” Genius. WFAN has been providing 24-hour analysis on this game for 2 weeks, and the word “luck” hasn’t been mentioned once?

      So sad. I’d laugh if it weren’t so pathetic.

    14. Mr. October
      February 4th, 2014 | 4:48 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Just for laughs, why was this game Denver -2 on the betting lines the day before?

      Because of economic activity or the huge amounts of money that average people bet on Denver; Seattle opened as the favorite. “Duh.”

    15. Evan3457
      February 5th, 2014 | 1:44 am

      Mr. October wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Just for laughs, why was this game Denver -2 on the betting lines the day before?
      Because of economic activity or the huge amounts of money that average people bet on Denver; Seattle opened as the favorite. “Duh.”

      That’s right. A 1 point favorite, not a 35 point favorite.

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