• Jacoby Ellsbury

    Posted by on March 3rd, 2014 · Comments (30)

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    Jacoby Ellsbury made sure he left the Boston Red Sox on good terms.

    Ellsbury, who signed a seven-year, $153 million contract with the New York Yankees over the offseason, contacted Red Sox manager John Farrell shortly after inking his new deal, the Boston skipper said Friday at JetBlue Park.

    “He called after the deal was agreed upon. To his credit, he called to say, ‘Thanks,’” Farrell said. “I got the sense he was a little surprised it happened so fast to the magnitude that it happened. And (I) wished him well. We’re certainly going to miss him, but now he’s on the other side. He handled it with a lot of class, and he was very grateful for his time here and gave thanks to the way things unfolded last year.”

    Ellsbury spent seven memorable seasons with the Red Sox before leaving in free agency after Boston’s 2013 World Series win. Some times were better than others for Ellsbury, who dealt with several injuries during his Boston tenure, but the explosive outfielder helped lead the Red Sox to two championships, in 2007 and 2013.

    What if Ellsbury plays this year, bats .275, and hits less than 10 homeruns on the season? Does he get a buddy pass as long as the team is doing well? Or, does he take some heat for not playing like a $20 million player?

    Comments on Jacoby Ellsbury

    1. #15
      March 3rd, 2014 | 5:28 pm

      If we win the WS, I don’t care if he hits .185. Anything less than a ring…. and he has to answer for his performance.

    2. Mr. October
      March 3rd, 2014 | 7:35 pm

      Jacoby Ellsbury’s not a $21.85 million player, so he shouldn’t have to take much heat for not playing like one – especially on a team spending $50.5 million-per year through 2017 on two pitchers: one with an 88 mph fastball, and a second with a flat plane 92-93 mph fastball and an 86 mph splitter…

    3. KPOcala
      March 4th, 2014 | 1:06 am

      Sounds like Ellsbury is a regular Barry Bonds, classless. Man, people tell me that I can pour the vinegar, but I’m only “oily” next to yous guys. I mean, we have someone who’s “already” going to hit .275, and another guy that won’t throw ninety, and a “Japanese Jeff Weaver”. Let’s wait and get the season going, no? BTW, growing up in Miami, in the ’70 & 80′s almost all the Yankee games were piped in (even before we had cable). Point being, I watched the ancient, venerable Tommy John at ages 36-37 go 43-18, striking out 3.6/9, and 2.6/9, while throwing roughly 540 innings. On television his fastballs looked like knucklers, velocity-wise, but had a nasty way of tailing away from the hitters. It was “something” to watch. He would go on to pitch ten more years, so….. “Broken-down, old, lefty”….

    4. Evan3457
      March 4th, 2014 | 5:53 am

      If he plays like he did last year, he’s clearly worth his salary.

      If he gets hurt because he collides with an outfielder, or because a fielder falls on him while making a play, and he misses 100 games, then he won’t be.

    5. Raf
      March 4th, 2014 | 10:34 am

      @ KPOcala:
      Consider the source. ;)

    6. Mr. October
      March 4th, 2014 | 2:30 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      … and another guy that won’t throw ninety, and a “Japanese Jeff Weaver”.

      @ KPOcala:
      There is a lot of footage available on the Internet, yet I haven’t seen a “best-in-the-world” 90 mph spltter, or “widow maker” from the $175 million Hiroki Kuroda… maybe he has one – but I haven’t seen it yet.

    7. Mr. October
      March 4th, 2014 | 2:44 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      If he gets hurt because he collides with an outfielder, or because a fielder falls on him while making a play, and he misses 100 games, then he won’t be.

      All of baseball is a game of “luck,” according to some… And Ellsbury has been almost as unlucky as Brian Cashman. I don’t know how optimistic we can be about the Yankees improving on their .490 postseason winning pct. since 2005 in 2014 with all of that bad luck in the front office and in center field.

    8. KPOcala
      March 4th, 2014 | 2:44 pm

      @ Mr. October: I’ve yet to see footage that does justice to any pitch, you have to stand in the box, or squat behind it. Let’s see what kind of swings the hitters take this season. That Will do it justice, good or bad….

    9. KPOcala
      March 4th, 2014 | 2:45 pm

      @ Raf: NO WAY! ;)

    10. Mr. October
      March 4th, 2014 | 2:49 pm

      @ KPOcala:
      Is it too much to ask that a radar gun report a 90 mph reading at least once on a pitch that is reported to be a 90 mph “widow maker,” with all of the hype we’ve been subjected to with Masahiro Kuroda?

    11. Mr. October
      March 4th, 2014 | 3:57 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      I watched the ancient, venerable Tommy John at ages 36-37 go 43-18, striking out 3.6/9, and 2.6/9, while throwing roughly 540 innings.

      @ KPOcala:
      You ever think what a coincidence it is that Tommy John underwent Tommy John surgery?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDWngRtEmm0

    12. KPOcala
      March 4th, 2014 | 5:02 pm

      @ Mr. October:Must have been a little before your time. Check this out. You’ll note that he wasn’t “coddled” before or after. The “coddling” “Only” came about because of “risk aversion” with these incredible contracts. For the record, players “Should” make as much as they can. Nobody pays to watched owners, “own”. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnto01.shtml

    13. KPOcala
      March 4th, 2014 | 5:05 pm

      @ Mr. October: I’m sorry, I’m not familiar with that player. Is he in the low minors?

    14. Mr. October
      March 4th, 2014 | 7:03 pm

      @ KPOcala:
      More “rhetorical bones?” I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I’m sure you did mean well.

    15. KPOcala
      March 4th, 2014 | 7:42 pm

      @ Mr. October:a pitch that is reported to be a 90 mph “widow maker,” with all of the hype we’ve been subjected to with Masahiro Kuroda? “WHO” are you talking about? Nothing rhetorical in what I’ve posted. You on the other hand are already ripping someone who’s yet to pitch in The Show. Maybe it’s me that’s missed news the signing of “Masahiro Kuroda”. Hey, you’re away from the net for 12 hours, and the Russians could be invading somebody……

    16. Mr. October
      March 4th, 2014 | 8:13 pm

      @ KPOcala:
      A $175 million starting pitcher who has never pitched in “The Show.” Leave it to Brian Cashman to have a $200 mil. team with its best starting pitcher having never thrown an inning in professional baseball in North America or in the Major Leagues…

      I simply have not seen Hiroki Tanaka throw a 90 mph “widow-making” splitter once, either on the Internet in all of the footage I’ve watched, or in the course of Saturday’s “impressive” performance against AA-AAA hitters – he might have a “widow making” 90 mph splitter, and he might be able to “dial it up” to 97-98 mph, but I have seen no evidence of either with the splitter or the fastball; that is not ripping him.

      I have not seen Brian Cashman’s $23.5 million-per year no. 1 starter throw a 94 mph fastball in years either – is that ripping Sabathia? It’s certainly possible that CC has, and I simply missed it…

    17. KPOcala
      March 5th, 2014 | 1:16 am

      @ Mr. October:
      OK. Five people see a movie, those five people saw five different movies.

    18. Corey
      March 5th, 2014 | 1:07 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      I simply have not seen Hiroki Tanaka throw a 90 mph “widow-making” splitter once,

      You missed his first outing. His splitter IS pretty nasty. He does have to work on the curve and fastball location though. But, it’s early.

    19. Corey
      March 5th, 2014 | 1:08 pm

      @ Mr. October:
      And, in that outing he touched 96 a few times.

    20. KPOcala
      March 5th, 2014 | 6:24 pm

      @ Corey:BTW, there are quite a few GIFS over at
      http://riveraveblues.com/ if you go back to last weeks’ Tanaka debut. There were some really feeble hacks, and some “nasty” bite on his stuff. There other places on the web for those who actually care, ahem, to look things up, and watch his pitch sequencing. Corey thanks for you posts :)

    21. Mr. October
      March 5th, 2014 | 6:39 pm

      Corey wrote:

      And, in that outing he touched 96 a few times.

      @ Corey:
      What outing? Saturday? Interesting, he didn’t “dial it up” to 96 when I was watching, although I didn’t watch all 32 pitches – I was more impressed with the French onion soup I was having… When he “dials” his splitter up to 90 mph, or retires hitters in the Boston Red Sox lineup, I’ll pay more attention to the descriptions of the “nastiness” of his “widow making” “best-in-the-world” $27 million-per year splitter…

    22. Mr. October
      March 5th, 2014 | 6:43 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      the Russians could be invading somebody……

      I understand the White House has been consulting Cashman on Russia’s presence in the Crimea peninsula, and U.S. geostrategic interests in the region…

    23. Mr. October
      March 5th, 2014 | 6:55 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      There other places on the web for those who actually care

      @ KPOcala:
      If you come across a clip of Masahiro Kuroda “touching” 90 mph (145 km/hr) with his “widow maker” in Japan with a smaller baseball, I’d like to see it; I have not found one on the Internet, and I’ve made every attempt to…

    24. Corey
      March 5th, 2014 | 7:44 pm

      @ Mr. October:
      I’m as skeptical as you but I’m willing to admit what I saw. Just cause the split is nasty doesn’t mean he’ll be any good. Joba had one of the nastiest sliders I’ve ever seen and you know how that turned out…

    25. Evan3457
      March 5th, 2014 | 7:51 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      If he gets hurt because he collides with an outfielder, or because a fielder falls on him while making a play, and he misses 100 games, then he won’t be.

      All of baseball is a game of “luck,” according to some…

      1. Not according to me.
      2. If getting hurt in collisions isn’t a matter of luck, then maybe you can explain that to Derek Jeter, whose only extended injury, before last season, was when he dislocated his shoulder in a collision with a catcher covering 3rd base in 2003. Explain to him how he lacked the ability to avoid the collision, and that he wasn’t unlucky.

      And Ellsbury has been almost as unlucky as Brian Cashman.
      Silly comparison.

      I don’t know how optimistic we can be about the Yankees improving on their .490 postseason winning pct. since 2005 in 2014 with all of that bad luck in the front office and in center field.

      It’ll be interesting to see how the Tigers improve on their .486 (< .490) post-season record since 2011, considering they've already had the greatest rotation in the history of baseball on their side for the last two seasons.

    26. Mr. October
      March 6th, 2014 | 3:36 pm

      Corey wrote:

      I’m as skeptical as you but I’m willing to admit what I saw. Just cause the split is nasty doesn’t mean he’ll be any good. Joba had one of the nastiest sliders I’ve ever seen and you know how that turned out…

      @ Corey:
      I have not seen a gun register 90 mph on Tanaka’s “widow maker,” and I’m not as immature as other people, who shall remain nameless, or “handleless,” so as to not admit having seen it if I had… All that I’ve seen is a splitter below 90 mph that AA-AAA hitters have had problems with.

      I’ll believe Hiroki Tanaka’s splitter is 90 mph when I see a radar gun register it at 90 mph, and I’ll believe in its “widow making” “nastiness” when I see it in person, or when I see the Boston Red Sox swinging helplessly at in in the course of the regular season.

      Hideki Irabu had a 99 mph and “nasty” spliter – do you remember him?

      “… Over six and two-thirds innings in a 10-3 victory, [Irabu] struck out nine… and appeared well armed for success with a four-year, $12.8 million contract and what his catcher, Joe Girardi, called ‘probably the hardest splitter I’ve ever seen‘.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/sports/baseball/irabu-baseball-rock-star-played-yankee-stadium.html?_r=0

      How did Irabu do in the Major Leagues with the probably the hardest splitter Girardi had ever seen, and his 99 mph fastball? Tanaka might be a legitimate no. 1 or no. 2 – but I haven’t seen that potential, yet…

    27. Mr. October
      March 6th, 2014 | 4:11 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      It’ll be interesting to see how the Tigers improve on their .486 (< .490) post-season record since 2011

      I think we will see if the Tigers can improve on their postseason record since 2011, with Detroit predicted to finish with the top record in the AL with a payroll approximately $80 million less than Team Cashman (and with a homegrown no. 1 starter with a fastball that’s been clocked at more than 88 mph).

      The Tigers have as many AL Pennants from 2011-13 as The New York Yankees have in The Cashman Autoeroticism Era (2005-2013), spending less than 50% on payroll than Team Cashman in that time. Dombrowski’s done a great job in Detroit… but he has a long way to go to catch up with Gene Michael: architect of four (4) world championship teams with an approximate .750 postseason WPCT (1996-2001).

      I think the reason Las Vegas likes Detroit so much is all of that 39-45 year-old starting pitching, like the great 2005-07 Yankee teams had…

    28. Evan3457
      March 6th, 2014 | 11:26 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

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      I think we will see if the Tigers can improve on their postseason record since 2011, with Detroit predicted to finish with the top record in the AL with a payroll approximately $80 million less than Team Cashman (and with a homegrown no. 1 starter with a fastball that’s been clocked at more than 88 mph).

      Yeah, they seem a good bet to make the playoffs at this point. But Baseball Prospectus projects Tampa with the most wins. If you’re going by the Vegas win total over/unders, then the Tigers, with the greatest rotation since Wynn/Garcia/Lemon/Feller, or whoever, are projected to win all of 3 more games than the Yankees.

      The Tigers have as many AL Pennants from 2011-13 as The New York Yankees have in The Cashman Autoeroticism Era (2005-2013), spending less than 50% on payroll than Team Cashman in that time.

      …and one less title.

      Dombrowski’s done a great job in Detroit

      For the most part, yes, I’d agree with that.

      but he has a long way to go to catch up with Gene Michael: architect of four (4) world championship teams with an approximate .750 postseason WPCT (1996-2001).

      No credit to Watson? or Showalter? Or any of the people who brought the key core players into the system?

      I think the reason Las Vegas likes Detroit so much is all of that 39-45 year-old starting pitching, like the great 2005-07 Yankee teams had…

      Again:
      Vegas over/unders: Tigers, 89.5; Yankees 86.5

    29. Mr. October
      March 7th, 2014 | 4:49 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      Did your parents have any children that lived?

    30. LMJ229
      March 7th, 2014 | 4:59 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      @ Evan3457:
      Did your parents have any children that lived?

      Can we please check the rudeness at the door?