• Pineda’s Pine Tar Hickey

    Posted by on April 23rd, 2014 · Comments (18)

    Stupid is, as stupid does…and he’s sure to get suspended this time.

    Comments on Pineda’s Pine Tar Hickey

    1. Evan3457
      April 23rd, 2014 | 10:42 pm

      Yep, 10 games most likely. More is possible because of the warning after the first incident. Not 100% sure about it, because he didn’t do it, or at least he didn’t get caught, in his last start against the Cubs.

      Plenty of veteran pitchers around the Yanks to teach him how to disguise it better. Both Cone and Leiter admitted it on the air tonight. He ought to take advantage of that, if he intends to continue on doing it.

    2. April 23rd, 2014 | 11:18 pm

      At this point, do we need any more evidence that Pineda has the IQ of a Kumquat…maybe not even that high?

    3. #15
      April 24th, 2014 | 10:02 am

      Our pitching coach wasn’t on top of this????

      Get a black glove (for crying out loud!!!!), make it shine with glove oil and polish with a soft rag, then…. load up the laces with pine tar. He may need to transition to this method, as an immediate change from light tan to a black glove will draw scrutiny. Go with light brown, then dark brown, then black. I would suggest going to a black glove and putting the grip-aid somewhere else for the time being.

      Put the sun tan lotion on the back of your neck, pound a rosin bag on your right leg and load up your pants, mix and match as needed. You can also apply the mixture to brim of your hat or your forearms. Rubbing alcohol and rosin works too.

      Under your belt, the back of your hat, lightly on the back of your ear, on your dark-colored rope necklace, inside the collar of your navy blue undershirt, your shoelaces…. Don’t use the pine tar rag like a drunk hooker applying mascara, use the white stick-um. Come on guys…

    4. April 24th, 2014 | 10:38 am

      Of course, the other option would be to learn how to pitch well without the use of foreign substances.

    5. Raf
      April 24th, 2014 | 10:56 am

      “Most guys I know use some sort of something: rosin, sweat, suntan lotion. Since the beginning of the game, guys have always tried to use something just to get a better grip. It helps your command. As a hitter, I’m not against it. I don’t want guys up there with the ball slipping out of their fingers throwing it everywhere. You want a guy who has somewhat of an idea of where it’s going. It doesn’t bother me at all that guys do that. It just bothers me that he can’t make it so blatant.” – A.J. Pierzynski

      John Farrell’s comments on Pineda’s ejection
      http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/27334974/v32334777/nyybos-farrell-talks-about-pinedas-ejection/?c_id=mlb

    6. redbug
      April 24th, 2014 | 11:55 am

      Girardi and cashman said it had been discussed w/ him after last time. Tanaka said no one spoke w/ him. Either way, I can’t understand why even someone like CC didn’t tell him the way to handle it.

    7. MJ Recanati
      April 24th, 2014 | 11:56 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      Of course, the other option would be to learn how to pitch well without the use of foreign substances.

      According to Leiter and Cone last night, pine tar doesn’t do to a baseball what sandpaper or other scuffmarks accomplish. It’s against the rules but it doesn’t give a pitcher an advantage over a hitter in the way you’re implying. And as Evan pointed out, every pitcher does it.

      Pineda is guilty of not knowing how to use pine tar discreetly and, as a result, guilty of letting his team down last night. Don’t make it out like he can’t pitch because he clearly can.

      As Cone said last night, it might be time to change the rule because every pitcher uses the stuff to maintain a grip on the baseball and opposing teams don’t usually care as long as the user is subtle about it. Pineda gave Farrell no choice last night but a rule change really would be in order this offseason.

    8. redbug
      April 24th, 2014 | 11:58 am

      @ Steve L.:

      Cone and Leiter said they both used substances to get a better grip. They both said it did nothing to alter the course of the ball like spitball would. The kid can pitch. Like all other pitchers, he can’t get a good grip when it’s cold.

    9. MJ Recanati
      April 24th, 2014 | 11:58 am

      Raf wrote:

      “Most guys I know use some sort of something: rosin, sweat, suntan lotion. Since the beginning of the game, guys have always tried to use something just to get a better grip. It helps your command. As a hitter, I’m not against it. I don’t want guys up there with the ball slipping out of their fingers throwing it everywhere. You want a guy who has somewhat of an idea of where it’s going. It doesn’t bother me at all that guys do that. It just bothers me that he can’t make it so blatant.” – A.J. Pierzynski

      That’s a pretty darn reasonable take on it which is why Pineda should be shamed into simply being more discreet. As someone else said, there are enough veterans on the club and around the team (YES booth, coaches, ex-players) to where these amateurish mistakes shouldn’t happen. Just hide it better and move on.

    10. MJ Recanati
      April 24th, 2014 | 11:59 am

      redbug wrote:

      Cone and Leiter said they both used substances to get a better grip. They both said it did nothing to alter the course of the ball like spitball would. The kid can pitch. Like all other pitchers, he can’t get a good grip when it’s cold.

      +1

    11. Mr. October
      April 24th, 2014 | 12:15 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      At this point, do we need any more evidence that Pineda has the IQ of a Kumquat…maybe not even that high? … Of course, the other option would be to learn how to pitch well…

      “[It's an open question whether Pineda] even has the intelligence to pitch in the Major Leagues” – George A. King III, The New York Post.

      I agree with King, George.

    12. jerryran
      April 24th, 2014 | 12:15 pm

      this is all very clearly Brian Cashman’s fault.

    13. Mr. October
      April 24th, 2014 | 12:21 pm

      “The Yankees are ‘embarrassed’ Michael Pineda was caught with pine tar again, general [moron] Brian Cashman said…”

      http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2014/04/michael_pinedas_pine_tar_ejection_embarrassed_yankees_brian_cashman_says.html

      More embarrassed than the Yankees were when Cashman was caught another woman again – this time after a 10-month extramarital affair with a mentally-imbalanced woman with 11 or 12 orders of protection filed against her? If Cashman had the IQ of a Kumquat, he would not discuss the topic of organizational embarrassment in relation to the actions of a player or employee for quite a few years…

    14. April 24th, 2014 | 12:37 pm

      “I’m embarrassed that we had an organizational breakdown that allowed this to happen,” Cashman said.

      Now, that’s smoking the objective pipe!

    15. Mr. October
      April 24th, 2014 | 1:46 pm

      “Like all other pitchers, he can’t get a good grip when it’s cold.”

      Why did Pineda need that “dirt” indoors in Toronto a few weeks ago when the temperature was in the 60s? Applying foreign substances to a baseball should be against the rules, and the cat-and-mouse game of trying to catch pitchers with the IQ of a Kumquat or above applying a substance like pine tar has become part of the game; if you can’t get a pitcher with such an IQ in exchange for the top prospect in your weak farm system, then don’t make the trade…

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      As Cone said last night, it might be time to change the rule because every pitcher uses the stuff to maintain a grip on the baseball and opposing teams don’t usually care as long as the user is subtle about it. Pineda gave Farrell no choice last night but a rule change really would be in order this offseason.

      Cone is the New York Yankees employee who used to perform obscene acts for female fans in the New York Mets bullpen, correct? What does Cone propose? Providing M.L.B. umpires with chemical analysis kits to conduct random or non-random tests of foreign substances found on a pitcher’s person, or when he goes to his neck? How is this rule change going to be implemented?

      Have any baseball fans on “SCOTUS” weighted in on this yet?
      Steve L. wrote:

      Now, that’s smoking the objective pipe!

      That’s not the only thing Cashman smokes…

    16. April 24th, 2014 | 2:14 pm

      jerryran wrote:

      this is all very clearly Brian Cashman’s fault.

      Here’s the deal: Joe Torre called CASHMAN to warn him after the first time. So, wouldn’t it be in Cashman’s best interested to PERSONALLY speak to Pineda and make sure he was 100% clear, without error, on what to do and what not to do?

    17. MJ Recanati
      April 24th, 2014 | 5:10 pm
    18. redbug
      April 24th, 2014 | 6:11 pm

      Tyler Kepner, NY Times on Twitter:

      Tyler Kepner ‏@TylerKepner
      I mean what other Yankee has been caught cheating once, then gone out and cheated with the same stuff again? Can’t think of anyone. Oh wait.

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