• Face It, “La Brea” Pineda Is A Cheater

    Posted by on April 25th, 2014 · Comments (15)

    Via Bill Madden

    This is one sticky wicket Michael Pineda has created for himself and baseball.

    The now-certified dumbest player on the planet insisted after being ejected from Wednesday night’s Yankee-Red Sox game at Fenway Park that the huge smudge of pine tar on his neck was there for no other reason but to help him get a better grip on the ball in the cold weather so he wouldn’t maim any of the Boston batters with errant pitches. It was his story and he was . . . er . . . sticking to it, but Gaylord Perry, the most notorious “foreign substance” practitioner of them all, says he’s full of it.

    “Of course pine tar is a performance-enhancing substance,” Perry said by phone from his home in North Carolina when I asked him if its only value to a pitcher was just to get a better grip of the slick baseballs when the temperatures drop into the 40s. “Why do you think so many pitchers are using it? It absolutely helps your sinkers to sink better and breaking pitches to break better.”

    To that, Dwight Gooden wholeheartedly agreed in a tweet Thursday: “Lets put to rest all this talk about pine tar to get a better grip on the ball to protect the hitters! Pine tar is used 2 make ur breaking pitches sharper and help ur sinker 4 more movement. You can blow in your hand for a better grip when it’s cold. Enough already!”

    According to Perry, when it comes to getting a better grip on the baseball in colder conditions, the old-fashioned rosin bag is perfectly sufficient. “It was for me,” he said. “People don’t realize it but the rosin is nothing more than dried pine tar. You can shake that thing up, even spit a little in your hands when you’re off the rubber, rub ’em together and then use the rosin bag. That’s what I’d do and I never had a problem with gripping the ball.”

    “Gaylord’s right about pine tar being a performance-enhancing substance,” said Hall-of-Fame-bound former Cardinals, A’s and White Sox manager Tony La Russa by phone from his home in California. “At the same time, it does help the pitchers grip the ball better in cold weather, and the hitters appreciate the fact the pitcher can control his pitches. But there’s a gray area and it’s very small. Nobody has a problem if a pitcher has a small dip on his finger to help him better control the slick balls in the cold weather. But when you’ve got a swath of it somewhere, on your hands, your glove or somewhere else on your body, then you’re crossing the line in that gray area and your intention is clearly to cheat.”

    On the bright side, I have a big fat gold chain, a Yankees cap to wear crooked, and some pine tar to slap on my neck. Yes, I have my Halloween costume good to go with six months to spare!

    Comments on Face It, “La Brea” Pineda Is A Cheater

    1. Mr. October
      April 25th, 2014 | 3:11 pm

      Great tweet by Doc Gooden – he nailed it. How many batters did “the now-certified dumbest player on the planet” walk, or wild pitches did he throw, while allowing 2 ER in the 1st inning before bathing himself in pine tar in the clubhouse between innings out of concern for the safety of the Boston Red Sox hitters he was facing?

      I assume Gooden doesn’t agree with his former teammate, intellectual giant David Cone, that the application of some foreign substances to the baseball should be legal…

    2. #15
      April 25th, 2014 | 3:56 pm

      Nice reference to La Brea… Only a geologist would get it on the first pass.

      Gooden knows a great deal about using foreign substances, especially white powders from South America.

      Gaylord is a blowhard. He’s still trying to repair his tainted reputation. I recall watching him pitch. I still have this image in my head of the umpire exploding out from behind the catcher after a pitch, both arms raised, yelling that that was an illegal pitch… The ump “knew it when he saw it”.

      As Cone pointed out last night – Rosin is a foreign substance and it’s allowed. So it’s not as pure as just leather (oh, and a thin layer of magical mud) against skin. I think Cone is on to something. Modify the rosin bag content to allow it to produce some grip (he suggested a “cold weather mixture” below a certain temperature), so both sides have the same tool to work with. Both sides come to the mound clean and both have access to the same stuff. Let’s not forget Buttholtz tapping his forearm like Rainman, or swimming in Dippity Do on the locks, and Lester with green dirt on his glove.

      Boston gave up 8 walks before they brought in a position player (who gave up another 4-5) last night and they threw a handful of pitches to the backstop. Maybe a little better grip might have helped.

    3. Mr. October
      April 25th, 2014 | 5:19 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      On the bright side, I have a big fat gold chain, a Yankees cap to wear crooked, and some pine tar to slap on my neck. Yes, I have my Halloween costume good to go with six months to spare!

      … And the reason you’ll be out trick-or-treating on October 31st, and not working, will be that your driver’s license was revoked for D.U.I. in Tampa, FL…

      Cone knows a great deal about gripping things, especially…

      MLB is going to procure the development of some kind of “mixture” to be authorized for use at the discretion of its umpires or officials under certain conditions to replace the rosin bag, that for some reason is no longer adequate in the temperatures of baseball games held in Boston in the fourth week of April? It’s not going to work…

      Rosin is a “foreign substance,” but “the fingers are not supposed to touch the rosin… the bag is finely meshed as the rules say it must be.”

      “Rule 8.02(a) Comment: … Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag…”

      Pineda wasn’t using pine tar in 60-degree temperatures inside the Rogers Centre three weeks ago out of a concern for the safety of hitters ( he didn’t seem to be too concerned about the safety of motorists in the Tampa Bay area at 2:35 a.m. on August 20, 2012, either: http://nypost.com/2012/08/20/yankees-pineda-busted-for-dui-in-tampa/)…

      Pineda was using pine tar in 60-degree temperatures as a “performance-enhancing substance.” The rosin bag has been in use in the N.L. since 1926 – Why is this suddenly an issue that we have to have David Cone working on in 2014?

    4. Raf
      April 25th, 2014 | 11:53 pm

      http://juneauempire.com/sports/2014-04-25/pineda-not-only-pitcher-majors-try-pine-tar#.U1srgIFdWSo

      Brad Ausmus said:

      “I do think pitchers using pine tar isn’t as big a deal as it’s being made out to be. It’s more about getting a grip.”

    5. Mr. October
      April 26th, 2014 | 3:55 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Brad Ausmus said:
      “I do think pitchers using pine tar isn’t as big a deal as it’s being made out to be. It’s more about getting a grip.”

      I wonder if Ausmus believes PEDs are a “BFD.”

      “La Brea” was apparently using pine tar in the heat of the Florida sun throughout the course of spring training in 2014 too out of concern for the safety of the hitters he was facing…

    6. Evan3457
      April 26th, 2014 | 4:28 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      Brad Ausmus said:
      “I do think pitchers using pine tar isn’t as big a deal as it’s being made out to be. It’s more about getting a grip.”
      I wonder if Ausmus believes PEDs are a “BFD.”
      “La Brea” was apparently using pine tar in the heat of the Florida sun throughout the course of spring training in 2014 too out of concern for the safety of the hitters he was facing…

      Along with a lot of other pitchers who shall remain anonymous because they’re smarter about hiding it. Apparently.

    7. Evan3457
      April 26th, 2014 | 4:28 pm

      Or sunscreen. Or a mixture.

    8. Raf
      April 27th, 2014 | 8:48 am

      Mr. October wrote:

      I wonder if Ausmus believes PEDs are a “BFD.”

      Perhaps you can ask him using one of your many accounts?
      http://waswatching.com/2014/02/02/house-cleaning/

      No one’s talking about PEDs, dumbass. Stay on topic. If that’s too much for you, kindly shut the fuck up.

    9. Mr. October
      April 27th, 2014 | 1:34 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Along with a lot of other pitchers who shall remain anonymous because they’re smarter about hiding it. Apparently.

      The way a lot of people are smarter about hiding their marital infidelities than this idiot: http://nypost.com/2012/02/05/cashman-visits-wife-kids-amid-stalker-drama/

    10. Mr. October
      April 27th, 2014 | 2:04 pm

      Raf wrote:

      … Stay on topic.

      I thought the topic was “performance-enhancing substances,” like the pine tar Pineda was using to pitch in all of that cold weather throughout the state of Florida in spring training in 2014?

      “… The problem is not the rule. The problem is the pitchers like Pineda who make a mockery of it. It’s not about driving 60 mph in a 55 mph zone. It’s about driving 105 mph with the top down, music blaring and with no license plates [, or with a blood alcohol level of .128 at 2:35 a.m. on the North Dale Mabry Highway in Tampa, FL.]…

      The focus should be on Pineda, not the rule book…

      It appeared obvious that even in spring training, in the heat of Florida, Pineda was using pine tar this year much more flagrantly than he did in Seattle, if he did there at all…”

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20140424/michael-pineda-yankees-pine-tar-red-sox-joe-girardi/

      @ Raf:
      Verducci is correct: the focus should be on Pineda, not the rule book. Maybe Pineda should try dried monkey testosterone, like Pud Galvin, before he moves onto the type of performance-enhancing substances players like Bonds and Clemens used…

    11. Evan3457
      April 27th, 2014 | 5:46 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Along with a lot of other pitchers who shall remain anonymous because they’re smarter about hiding it. Apparently.
      The way a lot of people are smarter about hiding their marital infidelities than this idiot: http://nypost.com/2012/02/05/cashman-visits-wife-kids-amid-stalker-drama/

      Which is a non-response. Predictable.

    12. Evan3457
      April 27th, 2014 | 5:50 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      … Stay on topic.
      I thought the topic was “performance-enhancing substances,” like the pine tar Pineda was using to pitch in all of that cold weather throughout the state of Florida in spring training in 2014?
      “… The problem is not the rule. The problem is the pitchers like Pineda who make a mockery of it. It’s not about driving 60 mph in a 55 mph zone. It’s about driving 105 mph with the top down, music blaring and with no license plates [, or with a blood alcohol level of .128 at 2:35 a.m. on the North Dale Mabry Highway in Tampa, FL.]…
      The focus should be on Pineda, not the rule book…
      It appeared obvious that even in spring training, in the heat of Florida, Pineda was using pine tar this year much more flagrantly than he did in Seattle, if he did there at all…”
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20140424/michael-pineda-yankees-pine-tar-red-sox-joe-girardi/
      @ Raf:
      Verducci is correct: the focus should be on Pineda, not the rule book. Maybe Pineda should try dried monkey testosterone, like Pud Galvin, before he moves onto the type of performance-enhancing substances players like Bonds and Clemens used…

      OK, so now, Verducci is a trusted source again. You didn’t feel that way last year when I cited something he wrote.

      It’s so easy to be you, never having to remain consistent as long as you can attack your main target (Cashman), or an auxillary (Pineda) for him.

    13. Mr. October
      April 27th, 2014 | 7:14 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      OK, so now, Verducci is a trusted source again.

      Verducci and a producer at the MLB Network. There have been several reports associated with La Brea’s use of pine tar in central Florida in the months of February and March, 2014 recently in a number of other media outlets as well; there are pictures supporting these contentions, too…

      Evan3457 wrote:

      It’s so easy to be you…

      “The New Meadowlands is announcing that the Nat Ray Free For All trot will be known as the John Cashman, Jr. Memorial beginning with the 2013 race on Hambletonian Day, Aug. 3… Cashman’s influence is found in many facets of harness racing. In a distinguished career that included several high profile positions, one of the most important was his role in the launching of the Breeders Crown championships…”

      http://www.harnessracing.com/news/natrayrenamedjohncashmanjrmemorial.html

      It’s easier to be the son of a millionaire who is a close personal friend and business associate or partner of a MLB franchise and thoroughbred horse racing enthusiast, such as George M. Steinbrenner III…

      Evan3457 wrote:

      … never having to remain consistent as long as you can attack your main target (Cashman)…

      http://deadspin.com/5881346/dear-brian-cashman-i-am-wearing-your-pajama-pants-in-your-mistresss-living-room

      Those pajama pants look small, even for Cashman…

    14. Mr. October
      April 27th, 2014 | 7:31 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      I don’t think much of Verducci – but it was documented that he witnessed what appeared to be pine tar on Cashman’s future no. 1 or no. 2 starter, acquired for the best prospect in the organization’s farm system in 2012, in spring training in 2014. It’s one thing to propose an idiotic “bonus at-bat,” as Verducci did in a November edition of SI – it’s quite another to suggest he’s lying about this…

    15. Raf
      April 27th, 2014 | 10:39 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      I thought the topic was “performance-enhancing substances,”

      Then why’d you bring up PEDs, dingbat?

      Mr. October wrote:

      I wonder if Ausmus believes PEDs are a “BFD.”

      Have you been drinking? Try posting sober. If that’s too much for you, kindly shut the fuck up.

      Mr. October wrote:

      Maybe Pineda should try dried monkey testosterone, like Pud Galvin, before he moves onto the type of performance-enhancing substances players like Bonds and Clemens used…

      Maybe you should try shutting the fuck up. If you can’t handle that, play with Evan3457; he seems to be more tolerant of your stupidity.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      It’s so easy to be you.

      It’s easy for him to be others too.
      http://waswatching.com/2014/02/02/house-cleaning/

      “Kamieniecki, PHMDen, Mr. October, Goose, McMillan, Sweet Lou, and Ricketson…”

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