• Say What You Want, But, Cano Can Laugh About It

    Posted by on April 29th, 2014 · Comments (5)

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    1. #15
      April 29th, 2014 | 12:11 pm

      Elongated discussion on MLB Radio this AM regarding: 1) should the Yankees run a tribute video and 2) should fans boo him?

      I’m not going to be there tonight, but I’m kind of torqued off by his “the Yankees didn’t respect me” BS. He said it a number of times and again recently. $170 million+ is plenty of respect. Seattle’s dollar amount was way above market and not based on on-field sensibilities. It was a marketing posture and Cano was in the right place at the right time. So was Ellbsury. Ellsbury took the classier route… He took the money, thanked the team and the fans, shut up and moved on. To my ear, Cano burned a bridge with the Yankees that didn’t need to be burned. Kind of similar to Torre being insulted by an offer to be the highest paid manager in baseball and moaning about it.

      Now, would I boo Cano? No, not in his first AB back at the Stadium. Polite applause would be appropriate. The bridge burning was with the teamsand not the fans. I wouldn’t boo him. I hope he goes 0-12 with 6 K’s and doesn’t drive in a run. I believe he’ll come to regret his decision to go to the W. Coast sooner rather than later, and that his numbers will not hold up playing in Seattle for a losing team. That being said, $70 million is a lot of dough. I would have done the same thing, but I’d also have smiled and thanked the Yankees for the opportunities they gave me and then shut up. To me he’s just trying to cover the reason he took the Seattle offer… He wanted the money. I get that. But he’s got to try to sell a story that it wasn’t about the money because he wants to appear to be less of a capitalist.

      As to his styling on homers and not hustling on the bases. It always rubbed me the wrong way and factors into my view of his contribution. Great hitter, slick fielder, a bit soft in the clutch for me to consider him to be in a class to Pujols, Cabrerra, etc…, stats highly influenced by playing 1/2 his games at Yankee stadium, failed to lead on the basis of persistant hustle.

    2. MJ Recanati
      April 29th, 2014 | 1:31 pm

      #15 wrote:

      stats highly influenced by playing 1/2 his games at Yankee stadium

      Agree that applause is warranted in his first AB, agree that he made his decision to leave on the (sensible) basis that “$240M > $175M”, and agree that he probably should leave all the “respect” stuff alone.

      Disagree that he was a “Yankee Stadium” only player.

      Career splits (home): 690 G, .306/.351/.504
      Career splits (road): 708 G, .312/.359/.501

      Cano is a great hitter, irrespective of ballpark.

    3. Mr. October
      April 29th, 2014 | 2:49 pm

      #15 wrote:

      He said it a number of times and again recently. $170 million+ is plenty of respect. Seattle’s dollar amount was way above market and not based on on-field sensibilities… To my ear, Cano burned a bridge with the Yankees that didn’t need to be burned… I [would] have… thanked the Yankees for the opportunities they gave me and then shut up…

      Robinson Cano has only a few more I.Q. points than Brian Cashman or Michael Pineda, so I don’t hold a lot of his comments against him…

      #15 wrote:

      Now, would I boo Cano? No, not in his first AB back at the Stadium. Polite applause would be appropriate.

      Agreed.

      #15 wrote:

      That being said, $70 million is a lot of dough.

      “… The Yankees would have had to pay Cano about $265 million for him to keep the same amount [after taxes] that he will [keep] with Seattle…”

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-09/cano-pockets-extra-42-million-in-tax-friendly-bolt-to-mariners.html

      #15 wrote:

      As to his styling on homers and not hustling on the bases. It always rubbed me the wrong way and factors into my view of his contribution. Great hitter, slick fielder, a bit soft in the clutch for me to consider him to be in a class to Pujols, Cabrerra, etc…, stats highly influenced by playing 1/2 his games at Yankee stadium, failed to lead on the basis of persistant hustle.

      Agreed.

      With all of his talent, Robinson Cano’s career numbers should have been better through 2013… But again, if Cashman had succeeded in trading him for Randy Johnson or Jamie Moyer, or any number of other players from 2004-05, he never would have played one game at second base in The Bronx, and he is one of the most talented middle infielders in the history of the game…

    4. #15
      April 29th, 2014 | 2:50 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Fair enough on the slash line home vs. away. BR shows he had 2631 AB at home and 2798 AB’s on the road. So, roughly 6% more AB’s on the road over his career, and yeah, it’s somewhat distorted because the stats are current, so his home AB’s now include his AB’s in Seattle. Still, his “top line” number, i.e., HR’s, tilt toward a Yankee stadium bias 110 to 95 (.042 HR/AB home vs .034 HR/AB away – almost a 20% difference); his RBI total also leans that way, 448 vs 385 (also about a 20% slant). In addition, he feasted in B’More over hte years. He’ll now get ~ 13 AB’s a year at Camden. W. Coast ballparks will not be as kind to him, particularly on the longball.

      Now, do I wish he was still hitting for us??? Absolutely. Would I have matched Seattle’s offer. NO. No. NO. No. NO!!!!

    5. Mr. October
      April 29th, 2014 | 2:55 pm

      @ #15:
      You did not write that Cano was a “Yankee Stadium” only player…

      #15 wrote:

      [H]is “top line” number, i.e., HR’s, tilt toward a Yankee stadium bias… his RBI total also leans that way… In addition, he feasted in B’More over hte years. He’ll now get ~ 13 AB’s a year at Camden…

      Yep…

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