• Get The Injury Excuse Bandwagon Rolling

    Posted by on May 13th, 2014 · Comments (18)

    Beltran may land on DL. Ichiro’s back is stiff. Teixeira is running like he’s injured. Add that to Nova, Cervelli, Pineda, etc.

    And, soon, certain Yankees fans will start to say “It’s a curse. Just like last year!”

    But, the reality of it is, to be candid, this is what you get when you have a roster full of older players. Younger guys just to break down as often.

    It’s the planning to blame, not the players…and their injuries.

    Comments on Get The Injury Excuse Bandwagon Rolling

    1. Raf
      May 13th, 2014 | 12:50 pm
    2. May 13th, 2014 | 1:19 pm

      @ Raf:
      So, it should not be an excuse, right?

    3. Mr. October
      May 13th, 2014 | 2:26 pm

      “Yankees’ Advanced Roster Age Rearing Its Head

      … Even a $500 million offseason infusion couldn’t protect the Yankees against their greatest weakness [in the opening game of the 2014 Subway Series]…

      Of [Ellsbury, Beltran, and McCann] only Ellsbury has performed at an acceptable level… presenting the Yankees with an unpalatable scenario to envision: … What if this latest [offseason infusion] does not pay off… and then bites the Yankees late as has been the case with their previous investments…

      … If the Yankees are to climb out of their current morass… they’ll have to lean most heavily on… Ellsbury and McCann, and on the currently injured Pineda, who [revealed] himself to be both remarkably stupid and unsurprisingly fragile within about a week’s time…

      You can’t outrun old age. You can only hope to minimize its importance. And the Yankees haven’t accomplished that mission yet.”

      http://nypost.com/2014/05/13/yankees-advanced-roster-age-rearing-its-head/

      Whose responsibility has it been to accomplish missions of minimizing the importance, or significance, of age in 2013-14? It’s been the responsibility of this idiot: http://nypost.com/2013/03/12/george-would-be-happy-with-yankees-pursuing-chipper-just-not-the-reason-why/

    4. Mr. October
      May 15th, 2014 | 8:31 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Injuries happen regardless of age…

      @ Raf:
      Surgery for Brian Cashman’s first-year, 37-year old right fielder is looking like more of a possibility (which will result in an absence from the lineup of six-to-eight weeks, or more), as Beltran was placed on the 15-day D.L. today; hopefully Cashman’s 39-year old, $6.5 million fifth outfielder will return from a back injury within the next several days…

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10938037/new-york-yankees-carlos-beltran-dl-bone-spur-right-elbow

      On the positive side, Cashman’s 38-year old left fielder has been healthy and entered tonight’s action hitting .240…

    5. Raf
      May 17th, 2014 | 9:39 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      So, it should not be an excuse, right?

      Injuries have an impact on a ballclub, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. That they happen has little to do with “planning to blame.”

      http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/injuries/mlb/all/

    6. Greg H.
      May 17th, 2014 | 11:46 am

      Raf, thanks for posting that list. Always looking at your own team it’s hard to have an idea of what’s happening around the league. The Yankees are dealing with their injury problems but everyone in the league is dealing with them also. Look at Texas, the walking wounded.

    7. Mr. October
      May 17th, 2014 | 11:58 am

      Raf wrote:

      Injuries have an impact on a ballclub, whether you want to acknowledge it or not…

      @ Raf:
      Injuries such as those to Moore, Cobb, Hellickson, Zobrist, etc., of the $77 million Tampa Bay Rays of the A.L. East, for example? Agreed.

      Raf wrote:

      … That they happen has little to do with “planning to blame.”

      The planning since the signing of the new C.B.A. in December of 2011 to field “championship-caliber teams” from 2012-14 with the oldest rosters in MLB in each season, and reset the organization’s luxury tax rate to 17.5% by arriving at a $189 million payroll by 2014 was a “spectacular success,” without question: a 3-6 postseason record through 2013, and a $211 million .500 team as of May of 2014…

    8. Raf
      May 17th, 2014 | 4:59 pm

      Greg H. wrote:

      Raf, thanks for posting that list.

      You’re welcome. Sometimes context is needed for those with Yankees blinders. ;)

    9. Mr. October
      May 18th, 2014 | 11:32 am

      Greg H. wrote:

      The Yankees are dealing with their injury problems but everyone in the league is dealing with them also. Look at Texas, the walking wounded.

      “So, it should not be an excuse, right?”

    10. Greg H.
      May 18th, 2014 | 12:42 pm

      @ Raf:
      Various up and coming, home grown players, all positions, young players, older players, all represented on that list.

    11. Evan3457
      May 18th, 2014 | 11:33 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Greg H. wrote:
      The Yankees are dealing with their injury problems but everyone in the league is dealing with them also. Look at Texas, the walking wounded.
      “So, it should not be an excuse, right?”

      Wrong. In any sport, a sufficient number of significant injuries, especially when concentrated at one position, is a valid excuse for the failure of a team to contend for a title. Happens every season to one or more teams in each major sport. Now, you don’t want your manager to think like that while it’s going on, or your team’s players, but a front office that doesn’t accept this obvious truth, at least privately, regardless of brave public statements, is incapable of making correct judgments.

      Texas’ injuries, especially their pitching injuries (mostly to pitchers who are young, or, at least not old, including Derek Holland, 27, Matt Harrison, 28, and Martin Perez, 23), are killing them right now. They’ve dropped 14 of 20, at the moment.

    12. Mr. October
      May 19th, 2014 | 7:37 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Wrong. In any sport, a sufficient number of significant injuries, especially when concentrated at one position, is a valid excuse for the failure of a team to contend for a title.

      @ Evan3457:
      Thank you for clearing that up. So injuries concentrated on two of the top starting pitchers in the A.L., and a very capable third starting pitcher, to a $77 million team built on pitching is a valid excuse for the failure of a team such as Tampa Bay, picked to win a division, to contend for a division title? So that should also be of benefit to the other four teams in the same five-team division, correct? Interesting…

      “… the Yankees are clearly in the market for starting pitchers now that they know Sabathia will be out until at least late June… At this moment, the Yankees have Tanaka, a fading Kuroda and three replacements — Phelps, Nuno and Whitley — in the rotation. If they knew for sure Pineda and Sabathia would return successfully, then the issue would be less alarming… But Pineda has proven fragile…… And Sabathia’s arm already was diminished from the wear of being a career-long workhorse

      To make a significant trade… the Yankees will have to use pieces from a farm system that is not generally well regarded. It could be they would have to include a catcher — John Ryan Murphy or Gary Sanchez — to front any meaningful deal.”

      http://nypost.com/2014/05/19/yankees-cc-sabathia-out-until-at-least-july/

      Why is the farm system “not generally well-regarded?” And the 37-year old right-fielder (signed through the age of 39) might be on the D.L. for more than six weeks – when will the “massive ‘bad luck/injury’ pandemic of 2013-14″ finally end? Not before the team gets a new G.M.

      At least the $21.86 million injury-prone .276-hitting center-fielder has remained healthy so far…

    13. Evan3457
      May 19th, 2014 | 11:48 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Wrong. In any sport, a sufficient number of significant injuries, especially when concentrated at one position, is a valid excuse for the failure of a team to contend for a title.
      @ Evan3457:
      Thank you for clearing that up.

      Fairly obvious from your past posts on the issue that you don’t understand it, or fail to acknowledge it, so, no problem.

      So injuries concentrated on two of the top starting pitchers in the A.L., and a very capable third starting pitcher, to a $77 million team built on pitching is a valid excuse for the failure of a team such as Tampa Bay, picked to win a division, to contend for a division title?

      It would be, if they were season-long, but Cobb and Hellickson will be back soon, and they’re still in the race, so, we’ll see.

      So that should also be of benefit to the other four teams in the same five-team division, correct? Interesting…

      It has been, and it will be, for as long as that condition exists. Just as much a benefit to the Orioles, Red Sox and Blue Jays as it is to the Yankees.

      To make a significant trade… the Yankees will have to use pieces from a farm system that is not generally well regarded. It could be they would have to include a catcher — John Ryan Murphy or Gary Sanchez — to front any meaningful deal.”

      Why is the farm system “not generally well-regarded?”

      Because it had a terrible year last year in which every key prospect except Sanchez had a terrible year, got injured or both. It was generally well regarded in both 2012 and 2011 when Baseball America rated it 13th out of 30, and 5th out of 30. The rating will likely improve substantially this season, given the progress of the draftees from the most recent drafts, assuming a reasonable amount of luck with health issues.

      And the 37-year old right-fielder (signed through the age of 39) might be on the D.L. for more than six weeks – when will the “massive ‘bad luck/injury’ pandemic of 2013-14″ finally end? Not before the team gets a new G.M.

      Which doesn’t explain why the more highly regarded Texas Rangers GM Jon Daniels has had even worse luck this year with injuries, and the highly regarded Reds GM Walt Jocketty is having about as much bad luck with injuries.

      At least the $21.86 million injury-prone .276-hitting center-fielder has remained healthy so far…

      Ooooh, nice selective endpoint there. Where were you when he was hitting .346 two weeks ago? Do you really think he’s never going to get hot again this year?

    14. Mr. October
      May 20th, 2014 | 2:35 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      It would be, if they were season-long, but Cobb and Hellickson will be back soon, and they’re still in the race, so, we’ll see.

      The injuries to Cashman’s $23.5 million no. 1 starter with a .500 record since March, 2013 and Latin American Idle are not season-long either…

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Because [the farm system] had a terrible year last year in which every key prospect except Sanchez had a terrible year, got injured or both.

      One of the least productive farm systems in M.L.B. overall since 2005-06 had a “massive ‘bad luck/injury’ pandemic” of its own last year?

      Evan3457 wrote:

      … Cashman, and only Cashman, is an idiot.

      He did Meanwell.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      … Texas Rangers GM Jon Daniels…

      He did mean well.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      … Reds GM Walt Jocketty…

      He did mean well.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Where were you when [Ellsbury] was hitting .346 two weeks ago?

      It’s been one quarter of a season at this point – no longer a “smaller sample size” – one home run for a left-handed hitting centerfielder in Yankee Stadium earning $21.86 million – although he is hitting approx. 100 points higher than Kurtis Granderson is in this, the last year of “Granderson’s ‘prime.’”

    15. Evan3457
      May 20th, 2014 | 4:17 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      It would be, if they were season-long, but Cobb and Hellickson will be back soon, and they’re still in the race, so, we’ll see.
      The injuries to Cashman’s $23.5 million no. 1 starter with a .500 record since March, 2013 and Latin American Idle are not season-long either…

      I wasn’t making any reference at all to the Yankees injuries, just commenting on your comment on the Rays’ pitching injuries, and whether or not they would be a valid excuse if they don’t win the division. If they all been season long then obviously they would’ve been a valid excuse for the Rays not winning the division. That’s indisputable, but being you, you chose to dispute it anyway. Not directly, because it’s still indisputable, but by attacking the Yankees’ rash of pitching injuries, and therefore, as always, attacking Cashman.

      By the way, if Nova, Sabathia and Pineda miss the rest of the season, or, in the case of the last two, most of the season, that would also be a valid excuse for the Yankees not being in contention. But since the organizational philosophy is never to concede a season, I assume the Yanks will make a trade for a starter at some point, and that it will include some good prospects. Don’t forget to attack Cashman if those prospects make it big three years from now.

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Because [the farm system] had a terrible year last year in which every key prospect except Sanchez had a terrible year, got injured or both.

      One of the least productive farm systems in M.L.B. overall since 2005-06 had a “massive ‘bad luck/injury’ pandemic” of its own last year?

      1) …he said, right at the very moment when farm products are making the greatest contribution to the team in at least 10 years.

      2) Yes, that’s exactly what happened. Thanks for noticing.

      Evan3457 wrote:
      … Cashman, and only Cashman, is an idiot.
      He did Meanwell.

      “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”

      Evan3457 wrote:
      … Texas Rangers GM Jon Daniels…
      He did mean well.
      Evan3457 wrote:
      … Reds GM Walt Jocketty…
      He did mean well.

      All this, on the other hand, means nothing, other than you have no reply to the point being made. Thanks for conceding the point, albeit indirectly.

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Where were you when [Ellsbury] was hitting .346 two weeks ago?
      It’s been one quarter of a season at this point – no longer a “smaller sample size”

      Not at all. It represents one hot streak, and a shorter slump.

      Just like Dustin Pedroia, so far this season. Or Ben Zobrist. Or Wil Myers. Or Evan Longoraia. Or Joe Mauer and Prince Fielder, if you want to stick to guys with big contracts.

      – one home run for a left-handed hitting centerfielder in Yankee Stadium earning $21.86 million

      Again, nice selective endpoint. When he was still on the hot streak, a little over 2 weeks ago, his WAR was at a rate high enough to exceed the 5 WAR a year needed to justify the contract. Now, after the 5-45 slump that he’s in, he’s not.

      – although he is hitting approx. 100 points higher than Kurtis Granderson is in this, the last year of “Granderson’s ‘prime.’”

      I never claimed he was in the last year of his prime this season. That’s your hallucination. In fact, I cited the fact that he had left his prime (over 30 years old) and would likely decline as the reason why the Yanks wouldn’t re-sign him except short-term at a relative market discount. They also knew that, which is why Granderson is playing for the Mets.

      Go ahead, twist the Yanks’ letting Granderson go into another Cashman failure. It’s what you do best. No, actually, that’s all you do.

      “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”

    16. Mr. October
      May 20th, 2014 | 7:15 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Or Evan Longoraia

      F.Y.I.: Evan Longoraia changed his last name to “Longoria” before the start of the season, Evan.

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Go ahead, twist the Yanks’ letting Granderson go into another Cashman failure.

      Cashman’s failure was not in letting Granderson go – it was acquiring “Chocolate Kingman” in the first place and while Dombrowski walked away with both Scherzer and Jackson in the same trade…

    17. Evan3457
      May 20th, 2014 | 11:36 pm

      Mr. October wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Or Evan Longoraia
      F.Y.I.: Evan Longoraia changed his last name to “Longoria” before the start of the season, Evan.

      FYI, commenting on a typo doesn’t make you more intelligent than anyone.
      Evan me.

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Go ahead, twist the Yanks’ letting Granderson go into another Cashman failure.
      Cashman’s failure was not in letting Granderson go – it was acquiring “Chocolate Kingman” in the first place and while Dombrowski walked away with both Scherzer and Jackson in the same trade…

      Yeah, I know, because the real Kingman finished 4th in an MVP vote.
      Oh, wait, no, he didn’t. Ever.

    18. Evan3457
      May 20th, 2014 | 11:39 pm

      Dave Kingman: 17.3 career WAR in not quite 7500 career PA.
      Curtis Granderson: 35.9 career WAR in a little over 5200 career PA.

      Obviously players of equal value.

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