• Chass On Cashman

    Posted by on July 4th, 2016 · Comments (25)

    Murray Chass talks about the Yankees – with a h/t to Ben M!

    Brian Cashman is in his 19th season as general manager and has been incapable of using an asset that, until recently, no other team has had. He has been allowed to spend outrageous amounts of money, and he has squandered millions and millions of dollars.

    All right, it’s not my money or yours. Why should I or we care how much money Cashman squanders? I suppose it’s the feeling of fairness in us. It’s also the incredulity. How can one man have so much money to spend and not be able to produce a consistent contender, if not winner?

    The Yankees have spent a total of $679 million on their payrolls the previous three years, but they have reached the playoffs only once in that period, and then only for a cup of coffee, going down meekly in the American League wild-card game last season without scoring a run.

    With Cashman’s $225 million payroll this year, the Yankees have shown no indication that they can attain a post-season perch. A contender? They’ve had trouble maintaining a .500 record. After two losses in San Diego they went into Sunday’s game with a 39-41 record.

    The Yankees have no such pitching depth. They don’t have much depth at all because they have done a poor job of developing players. Renowned for the Core Four of Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada, the Yankees cannot claim credit for developing top major league prospects since.

    Any team that has had the same general manager for 19 years and has not developed a strong minor league system has to be suspect. Cashman had the same development executive for 15 years and never saw the need to replace Mark Newman, who finally retired two years ago.

    Newman owed his extended employment to Cashman. Cashman, who did not respond to telephone requests for an interview, owes his extended employment to Hal Steinbrenner, son of George, who is the Yankees’ managing partner.

    The Steinbrenner son seems to be intent to run the Yankees 180 degrees from the way his father operated. If the elder Steinbrenner were alive and operating the team, he would have fired Cashman long ago. No Steinbrenner general manager survived if he didn’t produce a championship team in a period of a few years, if that long.

    Amen Murray.

    Comments on Chass On Cashman

    1. Evan3457
      July 4th, 2016 | 11:15 am

      No Steinbrenner GM survived in the long run, at all.
      They would leave on their own if he didn’t fire them.

    2. July 4th, 2016 | 2:01 pm

      The team is caught in a perpetual loop. Ownership seems content with the outward appearance of being a postseason contender (win the World Series sign stored away in a locked closet), bobble head dolls, Hope Week, wall plaques, retired numbers, restaurants, welcome to Yankeeland, a tourist trap with a commitment to the on-field baseball product about as real as an episode of Pawn Stars.

      Cashman is an absurdity at this point. He is one of the highest paid executives in America with an abysmal record considering the resources available to him. I wish there was glimmer of hope, just a word or two that someone inside the Yankee organization was finally getting it, but Randy Levine in his own words shows how dismal the prospects are, “we have a lot of history here of knowing what we’re doing, a lot of confidence in our baseball operations people”. It’s hard to happy after reading something like that.

    3. KPOcala
      July 5th, 2016 | 2:36 pm

      Although I’ve backed Cashman in the past, enough time has passed that I see the error in my thinking. Cashman left Newman in charge of the farm for too long, if you don’t see results in 5-7 years, then “CHOP”. The farm has been unlucky with injuries, but man, some of those picks. And trades, well, you look great today, tomorrow you’re and idiot. Still, the fact that the AAA has next to nothing to help the team is shocking, and amazing. Again, some terrible luck with injuries, but………….. the Cardinals seem to always come through (admittedly, the exception than the rule). My prediction is that Cashman will get next year to right the ship, or he’s gone.

    4. KPOcala
      July 5th, 2016 | 11:15 pm

      I really haven’t been “standing watching” for quite awhile. Amazingly, they are only three down in the loss column from being in second place. Which means….. Levine and Co may become buyers. As “Dr. Smith” used to say, “Oh, the PAIN”………..

    5. KPOcala
      July 5th, 2016 | 11:57 pm
    6. Evan3457
      July 6th, 2016 | 3:03 am

      KPOcala wrote:

      Still, the fact that the AAA has next to nothing to help the team is shocking, and amazing.

      Next to nothing in AAA? Sanchez, Green, Judge? I think any of those could help the team.

    7. KPOcala
      July 6th, 2016 | 12:32 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      I was thinking of This year. Apparently, the brass thinks so, or we’d have already seen them on the team. And as for Green, let’s not get our hopes up. Yet.

    8. KPOcala
      July 7th, 2016 | 3:07 am

      More good news, as reported on “RAB”:Big news: SS Jorge Mateo has been suspended two weeks for violating team policy, the Yankees announced. He won’t participate in the Futures Game this weekend. George King says Mateo complained to team executives that he had not yet been promoted to Triple-A. Yep, that’ll do it.

      I’ve also heard that there is “more of the story to follow”, but this really is the frosting on the cake, no?

    9. Evan3457
      July 7th, 2016 | 7:52 am

      KPOcala wrote:

      @ Evan3457:
      I was thinking of This year. Apparently, the brass thinks so, or we’d have already seen them on the team. And as for Green, let’s not get our hopes up. Yet.

      Oh, if things keep going the way they’re going, I think you’ll see Judge for sure, and Sanchez again in September.

    10. KPOcala
      July 7th, 2016 | 1:13 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      You sure that you want those guys to get infected around all that putrefaction? ;)

    11. Evan3457
      July 7th, 2016 | 7:55 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      @ Evan3457:
      You sure that you want those guys to get infected around all that putrefaction?

      Well, I’m thinking that to get all those guys up together, some of the Ancient Ones will have to go.

    12. LMJ229
      July 8th, 2016 | 9:01 am

      This roster was built, singlehandedly, by Cashman. There’s no more “George made me do it” excuses. Cashman has had ample time to rebuild the team but has failed to do so. Cashman was never qualified to be GM in the first place – he just benefitted from the timing of being named GM after Stick Michaels and Bob Watson built a dynasty for him.
      All the Cashman apologists blamed George for everything. Having no prospects was always George’s fault for trading them away. Well what’s the excuse now? For all of the bitching about George’s meddling, how ironic is it that we were actually a BETTER team with George at the helm?
      Cashman is nothing more than a fantasy team GM. The 2009 championship was straight out bought. Cashman is incapable of building sustainable success. He does not know what it takes to “build” a team – the pieces have to fit together to complement each other. Cashman’s predecessors understood that. Cashman doesn’t. This team will not get better until he is gone and that can’t be soon enough in my opinion.

    13. LMJ229
      July 8th, 2016 | 9:38 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Next to nothing in AAA? Sanchez, Green, Judge? I think any of those could help the team.

      Well then where the hell are they? I am so sick of hearing about all these hyped up prospects that we never get to see. If they can help the team THEN BRING THEM UP!!
      What IMPACT player do we have on our roster right now that came up as a prospect from our system? I’m not talking back-ups and middle relief pitchers. Betances? Maybe Gardner? (I say maybe because he is ridiculously over-rated IMO)
      Honestly, if we analyzed each MLB roster, I have to believe that ours is the worst in terms of home grown impact players. Second base was a black hole for 2 years and they had no answer, ultimately having to trade for Starlin Castro to fill the hole. They had to re-sign Headley because they had no answer at third. They had to trade for a SS because they never developed a replacement for Jeter. First base was a revolving door when Texiera went down yet still they used Ackley, Chris Parmalee and Ike Davis in lieu of bringing someone up from the minors. We have had 3-4 very highly regarded catchers – none of whom have made an impact thus far on our major league team. And do we have no one in the outfield that can give us numbers equal to Aaron Hicks for God’s sake?! Come on!

    14. July 8th, 2016 | 8:22 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      This roster was built, singlehandedly, by Cashman. There’s no more “George made me do it” excuses. Cashman has had ample time to rebuild the team but has failed to do so. Cashman was never qualified to be GM in the first place – he just benefitted from the timing of being named GM after Stick Michaels and Bob Watson built a dynasty for him.
      All the Cashman apologists blamed George for everything. Having no prospects was always George’s fault for trading them away. Well what’s the excuse now? For all of the bitching about George’s meddling, how ironic is it that we were actually a BETTER team with George at the helm?
      Cashman is nothing more than a fantasy team GM. The 2009 championship was straight out bought. Cashman is incapable of building sustainable success. He does not know what it takes to “build” a team – the pieces have to fit together to complement each other. Cashman’s predecessors understood that. Cashman doesn’t. This team will not get better until he is gone and that can’t be soon enough in my opinion.

      Amen.

    15. Evan3457
      July 9th, 2016 | 12:06 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Next to nothing in AAA? Sanchez, Green, Judge? I think any of those could help the team.
      Well then where the hell are they? I am so sick of hearing about all these hyped up prospects that we never get to see. If they can help the team THEN BRING THEM UP!!
      What IMPACT player do we have on our roster right now that came up as a prospect from our system? I’m not talking back-ups and middle relief pitchers. Betances? Maybe Gardner? (I say maybe because he is ridiculously over-rated IMO)
      Honestly, if we analyzed each MLB roster, I have to believe that ours is the worst in terms of home grown impact players. Second base was a black hole for 2 years and they had no answer, ultimately having to trade for Starlin Castro to fill the hole. They had to re-sign Headley because they had no answer at third. They had to trade for a SS because they never developed a replacement for Jeter. First base was a revolving door when Texiera went down yet still they used Ackley, Chris Parmalee and Ike Davis in lieu of bringing someone up from the minors. We have had 3-4 very highly regarded catchers – none of whom have made an impact thus far on our major league team. And do we have no one in the outfield that can give us numbers equal to Aaron Hicks for God’s sake?! Come on!

      What do you think they traded for both Castro and Didi?
      They had a prospect who made an impact at 1st last year; he went down with a season-ending injury in February. They’ve tried to get Hicks going (he was acquired for one of those good catchers in the organization, by the way) and Judge would’ve been up in a few weeks but he just got hurt tonight.

    16. Evan3457
      July 9th, 2016 | 12:15 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      All the Cashman apologists blamed George for everything. Having no prospects was always George’s fault for trading them away. Well what’s the excuse now? For all of the bitching about George’s meddling, how ironic is it that we were actually a BETTER team with George at the helm?
      Cashman is nothing more than a fantasy team GM. The 2009 championship was straight out bought. Cashman is incapable of building sustainable success. He does not know what it takes to “build” a team – the pieces have to fit together to complement each other. Cashman’s predecessors understood that. Cashman doesn’t. This team will not get better until he is gone and that can’t be soon enough in my opinion.

      Disagree, and I’ll tell you why.
      1) George ran the team into the ground. It took a two-year suspension to get him out of the way enough for Sabean and Micheal to put together the talent that became the dynasty. When George came back, Michael let himself be kicked upstairs and Watson quit to avoid being under his thumb, day after day.

      We still don’t know whether Cashman can build a long-term success because this organization hasn’t yet tried to do that. All these other teams that have come around and become dominant in the last couple of years were allowed to fall apart and hit rock bottom: the Royals, the Mets, the Astros, the Cubs. All of them, every single one, were allowed to lose big-time, to draft at the top of the draft, to allow players to stink together while they grew, and in each case, it took anywhere from 5 to 8 years of being awful for the rebuilding plan to show fruit.

      Here we are, with a team that’s finally aged to the point where it isn’t a remote contender anymore, and still the ownership and management senior to Cashman still hasn’t decided whether to finally allow a down year and become “sellers”. And yet, below the surface, the team is finally starting to draft properly, and the result are being seen at all levels of the minors now.

      ======================================
      People have been saying for years that Yankees fans would allow a real tear down and rebuild. Well, I don’t believe that, and this is why.

    17. Raf
      July 12th, 2016 | 6:07 am

      @ Evan3457:
      The minor league complex at Tampa has been overhauled, and the Yankees have added two more minor league teams (GCL & Appy Leagues). Time will tell if it will play off

    18. Evan3457
      July 14th, 2016 | 9:14 pm

      Raf wrote:

      @ Evan3457:
      The minor league complex at Tampa has been overhauled, and the Yankees have added two more minor league teams (GCL & Appy Leagues). Time will tell if it will play off

      I’ve noticed that. It’s one of the few ways MLB allows teams to spend money unrestrained to gain a competitive advantage in modern baseball.

      I think, given enough time, it will pay off.

    19. LMJ229
      July 24th, 2016 | 2:38 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      We still don’t know whether Cashman can build a long-term success because this organization hasn’t yet tried to do that. All these other teams that have come around and become dominant in the last couple of years were allowed to fall apart and hit rock bottom: the Royals, the Mets, the Astros, the Cubs. All of them, every single one, were allowed to lose big-time, to draft at the top of the draft, to allow players to stink together while they grew, and in each case, it took anywhere from 5 to 8 years of being awful for the rebuilding plan to show fruit.

      Again another Cashman excuse from a Cashman apologist. It used to be “It’s all George’s fault”. Now it’s “The organization and the fans will not allow the Yankees to hit rock bottom; therefore, Cashman has not been given the opportunity to rebuild the team”. What a bunch of crap. Over the last 3 years the Yankees have averaged 85 wins. Does that sound like a team that needs a total rebuild? This team needs to retool, not rebuild. This isn’t the Twins or the Phillies. 2-3 good young players could have made the difference between a one-and-done playoff team and a legitimate WS contender. 85 wins in 2013. 84 wins in 2014. 87 wins in 2015. Where is the improvement? This team is treading water. It’s good enough to have a winning record and remain relevant but not good enough to get in and/or win in the playoffs. It’s a tease. Cashman has not shown the ability to improve the team enough to really make an impact.

    20. Evan3457
      July 25th, 2016 | 1:50 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      We still don’t know whether Cashman can build a long-term success because this organization hasn’t yet tried to do that. All these other teams that have come around and become dominant in the last couple of years were allowed to fall apart and hit rock bottom: the Royals, the Mets, the Astros, the Cubs. All of them, every single one, were allowed to lose big-time, to draft at the top of the draft, to allow players to stink together while they grew, and in each case, it took anywhere from 5 to 8 years of being awful for the rebuilding plan to show fruit.
      Again another Cashman excuse from a Cashman apologist. It used to be “It’s all George’s fault”. Now it’s “The organization and the fans will not allow the Yankees to hit rock bottom; therefore, Cashman has not been given the opportunity to rebuild the team”. What a bunch of crap. Over the last 3 years the Yankees have averaged 85 wins. Does that sound like a team that needs a total rebuild? This team needs to retool, not rebuild. This isn’t the Twins or the Phillies. 2-3 good young players could have made the difference between a one-and-done playoff team and a legitimate WS contender. 85 wins in 2013. 84 wins in 2014. 87 wins in 2015. Where is the improvement? This team is treading water. It’s good enough to have a winning record and remain relevant but not good enough to get in and/or win in the playoffs. It’s a tease. Cashman has not shown the ability to improve the team enough to really make an impact.

      It’s awfully hard to “add 1 or 2 pieces” to a team with set, long-term contracts everywhere in the lineup except shortstop. In spite of that, thanks to trades made the last two off-seasons, the Yanks are now set at 2nd and short for the next 2-3 years, and they got younger doing so.

      Furthermore, what I said about ownership is not anything like an excuse. It’s reality. Even with the team struggling, upper management wouldn’t sign off on selling even Chapman until AFTER he turned them down for a long-term extension.

      You want a rebulid? Then rebuild. Hal, Hank, Trost and Levine won’t permit it, because of interlocing interests with the YES network and their radio contract, and possibly Stadium debt.

      But the main reason I say we don’t know whether Cashman can rebuild the Yankees is because ownership and upper management will never allow it is very simple:

      The main reason we don’t know whether Cashman can rebuild the Yankees is because ownership and upper management will never all it.

    21. KPOcala
      August 5th, 2016 | 10:35 am

      @ Evan3457:Evan, I’ll never believe the whole “narrative” regarding George’s suspension. There is no way in hell that he wasn’t still “in fact” not running the “Show”. The Yankees got very lucky that they didn’t (and boy, they came close) to trading away most of the “Core Five”, and everything fell into place for them with some astute trades. That, plus they picked up some very nice free agent pitchers who seemed to get a second life when they came to the Yankees (Jimmy Key, David Wells, David Cone, Dwight Gooden), and a great roll of the dice with Orlando Hernandez. The “narrative” makes all seem so easy, so “pre-ordained”, but no team builds up a farm system in two years to that extent…..

    22. KPOcala
      August 7th, 2016 | 12:29 pm

      @ Steve L.:Well Steve, it’s early, but you should tip your hat on Cashman’s trades last week. No doubt, most of them won’t work out, but he DID get a haul for a couple of relievers, and an old but still lethal Beltran. And now, it seems that the Yankees have one of the top three farm systems in baseball. I know you won’t concede anything until the Yankees win a WS under Cashman going forward, if then. But you should rethink the balancing job that he’s always had to do, no matter the money.

    23. Evan3457
      August 8th, 2016 | 10:50 pm

      KPOcala wrote:

      @ Steve L.:Well Steve, it’s early, but you should tip your hat on Cashman’s trades last week. No doubt, most of them won’t work out, but he DID get a haul for a couple of relievers, and an old but still lethal Beltran. And now, it seems that the Yankees have one of the top three farm systems in baseball. I know you won’t concede anything until the Yankees win a WS under Cashman going forward, if then. But you should rethink the balancing job that he’s always had to do, no matter the money.

      The minimum should be a recognition from all that the failure to tear down and rebuild before this (Cano, Robertson) ultimately rests on people above Cashman in the organization. Hal became more “hands on”, or so the story goes, and he “looked at tape” on the players the Yankees traded for, before he would sign off on the various sell-offs.

      If false, it serves to make Hal look better, but no real harm is done. If true, it’s slightly terrifying.

    24. LMJ229
      August 9th, 2016 | 8:18 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      The minimum should be a recognition from all that the failure to tear down and rebuild before this (Cano, Robertson) ultimately rests on people above Cashman in the organization. Hal became more “hands on”, or so the story goes, and he “looked at tape” on the players the Yankees traded for, before he would sign off on the various sell-offs.
      If false, it serves to make Hal look better, but no real harm is done. If true, it’s slightly terrifying.

      Hal may have been late in granting his permission but ultimately Cashman was given the go ahead to pull the trigger on these trades. I don’t believe any GM has absolute power. Cashman made the trades and he should ultimately be judged on them.

    25. Evan3457
      August 10th, 2016 | 10:45 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      The minimum should be a recognition from all that the failure to tear down and rebuild before this (Cano, Robertson) ultimately rests on people above Cashman in the organization. Hal became more “hands on”, or so the story goes, and he “looked at tape” on the players the Yankees traded for, before he would sign off on the various sell-offs.
      If false, it serves to make Hal look better, but no real harm is done. If true, it’s slightly terrifying.
      Hal may have been late in granting his permission but ultimately Cashman was given the go ahead to pull the trigger on these trades. I don’t believe any GM has absolute power. Cashman made the trades and he should ultimately be judged on them.

      Yes, he should be judged on them, and on the ability to move enough of these prospects to the majors as contributors.

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