• PEDs and The HOF

    Posted by on January 19th, 2017 · Comments (3)

    Many like to say that Mike Piazza and (now) Jeff Bagwell open the door to the Hall of Fame for those suspected of using PEDs and those found to use PEDs. However, their careers were basically before there were rules around PED use. (We know that Major League Baseball did not roll out a PED policy with teeth until after the 2004 season.) It’s really hard to ticket someone for speeding, much less just pull them over, when there’s no speed limit posted. And, what about Ivan “Pudge” Rodriguez? Yes, I know: Jose Canseco confessed that he introduced Pudge to PEDs. But, look at the numbers. From 1991-2004, Pudge played 1758 games and had an OPS+ of 115. From 2005 through 2011, he played 785 games and had an OPS+ of 85. And, remember: in Spring Training 2005, Pudge showed up 20 pounds lighter than he was in previous years. If Pudge was using PEDs, there’s some evidence to point towards him no longer using them once there was a policy against them. All of this is probably why Piazza, Bagwell and Pudge are in the Hall of Fame now – it’s suspicion only and all pre-policy. You are going to see the same thing with Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Granted, there’s more than just a suspicion with them. But, the bulk of their body of work is pre-policy and there are no suspensions or convictions on their record due to PED use. The two PED cases that will be most interesting with respect to the Hall of Fame are Manny Ramirez and Alex “A-Rod” Rodriguez. Both failed tests twice. Both were suspended for lengthy periods for failing a test AFTER there was a policy against it. Manny is already on the ballot. (This was his first year on it.) A-Rod has to wait 5 years before they vote on him. They may both get elected to the Hall. But, it’s not going to be quick or easy for them.

    Comments on PEDs and The HOF

    1. KPOcala
      January 19th, 2017 | 4:27 pm

      Steve, ok, MLB didn’t have a “PED Policy”, but the Federal Government DOES. I believe that using photos, stats, historical aging curves that the “heavy dopers” can easily be picked out. EASILY. IMO, guys who get in will always be remembered. The big problem I see with this is that the “clean players” can’t even stay on the ballot, nevermind make it to the Hall. Yes, the very best of the clean players will. A great player like Posado falling off the ladder shows, clearly, why this “let ‘em in” mentality is flawed. The same baseball writers who were so condemning 10 years ago, are suddenly turning the argument into a quasi “criminal justice” type standard. You don’t suppose that MLB is waving money around, do you? Just reading the language used in Davidoff’s article the other day made me want to retch; journalist turned attorney……

    2. January 20th, 2017 | 9:08 am

      Yeah, that period from the mid 80s through 2004 was a mess. Everyone is to blame: The owners, the players, the media and the fans. See 1998. Everyone was celebrating the home run race, Sosa and McGwire. All you had to do was look at them and what was happening to see that it was wrong. But, everyone looked the other way. It really wasn’t until Bonds started destroying records that people started to say this is too much. Meanwhile, they should have been saying that in 1996 when Caminiti won the MVP…or maybe even earlier?

    3. Evan3457
      January 20th, 2017 | 6:50 pm

      Once Clemens and Bonds get in, the PED line is obliterated, and eventually, most of the others will get in as well.

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