• Tito Polo & Stephen Tarpley

    Posted by on April 24th, 2017 · Comments (2)

    Right now, Ivan Nova is looking better.  But, there’s still time on the clock.

    Comments on Tito Polo & Stephen Tarpley

    1. Evan3457
      April 24th, 2017 | 4:13 pm

      Everyone knew, at the time of the trade, that Nova was likely to do better, possibly much better, with the Pirates than with the Yankees. The reasons:

      1) No DH.
      2) No AL East lineups to face half the time.
      3) A much, much more forgiving ballpark to pitch in, especially for a righty.

      Just like AJ Burnett was much better with them. And JA Happ.

      The pitching coach, Searage, may have a roll in it, too.


      Nova certainly had plenty of chances with the Yanks to prove he could be a quality starter in the new Yankee Stadium, against the AL East, and in the league with the DH. He was injured too often, and though he had some moderately successful seasons, he failed too often. His time with the Yankees was done.


      If the complaint is that the Yankees couldn’t get him to be as good as he is now, there’s something to that, but not much, because of the circumstances mentioned above.

      If the complaint is they got too little for him considering how well he’s doing now, trading him from the circumstances mentioned above means he was traded at low value. His value is higher now, at least superficially, because he’s adapted to more beneficial circumstances. When a player his traded, it’s his market value at the time of the trade that determines the return, not what he’s worth after a team, or the team’s environment, fixes him.

      The opposite happened in the 2nd Chapman trade. Circumstances conspired to make 2+ months of Chapman worth Torres, Warren, McKinney, and Crawford. A trade the winter before got the Reds Jaigelo, Davis, Cotham and Renda.


      If the Yanks believed Nova had been cured by his stint in Pittsburgh, they could easily have re-signed him over this past winter. They didn’t. They were probably right. To see what might have happened had they done so, one need only look at Burnett’s 2014 season with the Phillies.


      Ivan Nova has a K/BB ratio of 17/1 (!!) during his time with the Pirates. Ask yourself this: why did he never throw strikes anywhere near that often in his time with the Yankees? Ask another question as well: is that ratio remotely sustainable in the long run?

    2. Greg H.
      April 27th, 2017 | 11:21 am

      I wish Nova well with the Pirates. He was frustrating as hell with the Yanks – as frustrating as Hughes. Trading 3 months of Nova for a bag of balls was worth it at the time. He’s done well so far for the reasons outlined, but with Nova that means little, because he’s had good stretches with NY, only to get hurt or have the wheels fall off. It was time to move on, and I’m glad they did that. Much more interesting to see what Gumby and the other kids can amount to.

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