• Jeter Day

    Posted by on May 14th, 2017 · Comments (4)

    There’s only two SS in all of baseball history with 12+ seasons where they qualified for the batting title and had an OPS+ of 110 or better: Derek Jeter and Honus Wagner #justsaying

    Comments on Jeter Day

    1. redbug
      May 15th, 2017 | 9:55 am

      I think Jeter deserves one of those large monuments, similar to Ruth. Not just because of all the records, clutch hits and plays, 20 years, etc. But because of the leadership he brought to the team for so many years, on and off the field.

      I also think that Willie Randolph’s number should be retired. This is from Pinstripe Alley:

      ” Willie’s legacy as a Yankee player stands up among the all-time greats. In terms of career WAR (baseball-reference version) he ranks eighth among position players behind Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, Derek Jeter, Yogi Berra, and Bill Dickey, and is second in career defensive WAR behind only Phil Rizzuto. Better yet, when compared to all second baseman in major league history, he ranks 16th best according to the JAWS system despite getting barely a whiff of Hall of Fame consideration.

      On top of his achievements as a player, Willie was a part of the Yankees coaching staff for 11 seasons. This included the teams’s run of four World Series championships in five years from 1996-2000 when he imparted his wisdom as a superb fielder by serving as infield instructor as well as third base coach. So, after 24 years of service including six rings, there’s no doubt that Willie Randolph and his number 30 (sorry, Houdini) deserve their own day at Yankee Stadium to cement his place among the Yankee greats. His unfortunate reign as manager of a certain crosstown team notwithstanding.”

    2. Evan3457
      May 15th, 2017 | 10:45 am

      Willie might well be a marginal Hall of Famer, but Lou Whitaker was slightly better, and he got hardly any consideration for the Hall himself.

      Re: retiring Willie’s number…the nearest analogy is Frankie Crosetti. Willie was a significantly better player than Crosetti, both peak and career, but Crosetti was, by all accounts, a brilliant 3rd base coach for much longer and for more title winners. Crosetti’s number is now retired, but only because Jeter’s number is now retired.

      Willie’s number being retired? I don’t think so. What’s the most memorable moment of Willie’s Yankee career? There really isn’t one. Reggie had game 6, 1977 World Series. And the bloop hit of Splitorff in the 1977 ALCS. And the HR in 3-2 win over the Red Sox in September 1978, and the HR for the tack on run in the play-off game in October, 1978, and his hip check on Russell’s relay throw to complete the DP in the 6th inning of game 4 of the 1978 World Series.

      Roger had the 61st HR off of Stallard; the whole season of 1961, in fact. Standing off the ghost of Babe Ruth and setting the new HR record under the media and fan pressure was monumental, as shown with reasonable historical accuracy in the movie 61*,

      What’s the brilliant season where Willie carried the Yanks to a title>? There really isn’t one. Reggie got the Yanks over the hump in 1977 and 1978. Roger helped the Yanks win 5 straight pennants, two titles (1961 without Mickey in the Series, for all practical purposes), and won 2 MVPs. In 1977, Willie was the 5th best player on the team. In 1978, he was 2nd in bWAR, but Guidry carried the team that year.

      Was Willie great in the post-season, or even consistently good? No, he has a poor post-season record. Only twice in 11 series did he bat over .300, and a lifetime .222/.304/.346 line. It’s true that Graig Nettles’ post-season hitting was not even as good as that, but even there, Nettles has his brilliant work backstopping a fatigued Guidry in Game 4 of the 1978 ALCS, and game 3 of the 1978 World Series, the game that turned that series around (One generous estimate said that Nettles saved Guidry as much as 7 runs in that game 3.)

      Billy Martin…well, him, I can’t really make a case for, but he does have one more memorable moment playing than does Willie…the catch to end the 7th inning in game 7 of the 1952 World Series.

      Willie was a very good player for a very long time. He’s a marginal Hall of Famer, might get put in by a Veterans’ Committee, but it’s not likely. Not really sure why his number should be retired, other than that he is, by all accounts, intelligent, dignified, and a terrific human being. But then, by that standard, Roy White’s number should retired, and so should Tino Martinez’, and Scott Brosius’, and so on.

    3. May 20th, 2017 | 10:17 am

      Pretty sure you have to die to get a monument. I seem to recall when they moved Mantle’s plaque to a stone.

      Willow may have one of the most underrated baseball careers of all time. It’s really unfair.

    4. Evan3457
      May 20th, 2017 | 1:22 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Pretty sure you have to die to get a monument. I seem to recall when they moved Mantle’s plaque to a stone.
      Willow may have one of the most underrated baseball careers of all time. It’s really unfair.

      One of the problems for Willie is that aside from the fact that he was almost never better than the 3rd-5th best player on his own teams is that he had multiple contemporaries in Grich and Whitaker who are also very underrated, and had somewhat better careers. Neither of them are in the Hall of Fame either. Whitaker and Grich probably should be. Grich is the 7th and highest ranked 2nd baseman on Jaffe’s JAWS list for 2nd baseman who isn’t in the Hall, and he, Cano and Utley are the only ones above Whitaker who aren’t in the Hall.

      Willie has the same total bWAR as Biggio, but Biggio had the better peak and the longer decline, and the more flashy career totals, including 3000 hits. That’s why he’s in the Hall, and Willie is probably just another Outstanding Yankee Near-Miss (along with Thurman, Donnie, Bernie, Jorge, and maybe Andy).

      Unless Robbie Cano’s career comes to a screeching halt this season or next, he’s going to make the Hall with WAR to spare.

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