• Moose

    Posted by on January 19th, 2018 · Comments (6)

    Mike Mussina pitched in 537 big league games – all but one as a starter. 157 were in Camden Yards. 136 were in Yankee Stadium. 27 were Fenway Park. 23 were in Toronto. 18 were in the old Homerdome in Minny. And, 10 were in old Tiger Stadium. That’s 69% of his games pitching in parks that were hitter friendly. Oh, and, his also had two games in Coors Field, and, 6 in the old Kingdome, for what it’s worth. That would push the number to 70% of his career total in hitter’s parks. Lastly, he pitched from 1991 through 2008. That’s 14 of 18 years where it was PED city in MLB without a policy against it. That’s why his ERA was 3.68 for his career. There’s no question that he deserved to be in Cooperstown.

    Comments on Moose

    1. January 20th, 2018 | 9:01 pm

      Every word you wrote is essentially true, but in the case of Mussina the sum is less than the parts. The most symbolic fact in his career is this, the Yankees were the world champions right before his arrival and the world champions the first season after he left. There are two things about him that will always stand out in my mind, his unwillingness to throw at Red Sox batters after watching Pedro Martinez throw repeatedly at Yankees batters, and Torre having to go to him and ask him if he was willing to throw a few innings in game 7 in 03. In the end, Mike Mussina was about Mike Mussina.

    2. 77yankees
      January 21st, 2018 | 10:07 pm

      For me with Mussina, it always comes back to this:

      http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/delays-annoy-mussina-article-1.602738

      I remember that YES actually carried the ceremony, and Tom Cheek gave this moving classy Lou Gehrig-type speech where there were no dry eyes in the house. And then in the post game, Mussina was whining about how long the ceremony took, when he actually had a 2-1 lead going into the 7th before he lost it. I thought, what an a-hole. So while always considered him a good pitcher, he never seemed like the type you’d expect to have his teammates’ backs out there.

    3. January 22nd, 2018 | 10:16 am

      I hear what you guys are saying and I don’t disagree on the comments on his personality. That said, the HOF is about numbers. A LOT of HOFers are jerks. (Heck, a lot of baseball players are jerks.) Again, my point is on the stats. People like to point to his ERA and say that’s not a HOFer. And, I believe that’s a mistake.

      And, FWIW, he saved that 2003 ALCS Game 7 by coming in to pitch. If not for his efforts, the outcome could have been a lot different.

    4. JeremyM
      January 25th, 2018 | 1:20 am

      As I recall, his only request before that game 7 was that he not be brought in with runners on base.

      Of course, he ended up coming in with the bases loaded I believe–and got out of it.

      He could be persnickety, but nonetheless, he should be a Hall of Famer.

    5. Evan3457
      January 25th, 2018 | 12:29 pm

      Mussina is a Hall of Famer. His ERA is notionally high because of the ERA and ballparks in which he pitched. His natural decline pretty much proves he didn’t use steroids in any era where many (if not most) players did.

    6. Evan3457
      January 25th, 2018 | 12:43 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Mussina is a Hall of Famer. His ERA is notionally high because of the ERA and ballparks in which he pitched. His natural decline pretty much proves he didn’t use steroids in any era where many (if not most) players did.

      That should be “era…in which he pitched”, not “ERA…in which he pitched”.
      As in “the Steroid era”.

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