• Second And Third

    Posted by on February 19th, 2018 · Comments (11)

    I really don’t understand the debate around who is playing second and third for the Yankees this season.

    Does it matter?

    We’re talking about the 8th and 9th slots in the batting order – and the first seven slots are loaded.

    Seriously, you could play Ronald Torreyes and Tyler Wade, both, in the infield. And, as long they catch everything in the field, it doesn’t matter what they do with the bat. Literally, they could post an OPS of .600, and, who cares?

    Maybe it will be Miguel Andujar and Gleyber Torres? Or, maybe it will be Danny Espinosa and/or Jace Peterson?

    As long as it’s not me and you, the Yankees are going to be fine. This team is not going to win or lose because of who is batting 8th and 9th.

    Comments on Second And Third

    1. 77yankees
      February 19th, 2018 | 7:18 pm

      I hope that it’s eventually Andujar and Torres. By eventually I mean that we know Torres won’t be up until April 16th at the earliest, and they’ll try to ration it as cold weather, coming off injury, inexperience, when it’s actually that they get another year of team control. Fine, so be it. No big deal.

      So if one of them is to start the season in the lineup it’s Andujar, providing he doesn’t flop in exhibition season at bat or in the field. I’d like to see Wade step up and show something, because he gives them another lefty bat and a speed wild card. I just get a feeling that Espinosa will have a Jose Cruz Sr. type spring and tear it up, start as 2B on Opening Day, and once the season starts, will regress into his usual production.

    2. February 19th, 2018 | 11:01 pm

      I am not a fan of Espinosa. He makes Chris Carter seem like Tony Gwynn.

    3. Evan3457
      February 20th, 2018 | 6:19 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      I really don’t understand the debate around who is playing second and third for the Yankees this season.

      Does it matter?

      Yes, it matters.
      Everything matters. Some things more than others, but everything matters.
      The difference between winning it all and not winning it all can come down to one game, which can come down to the difference between a 7-man lineup and a 9-man lineup.

      Steve L. wrote:

      I am not a fan of Espinosa. He makes Chris Carter seem like Tony Gwynn.

      Not a big fan either. Don’t think he’ll be a factor on the team, though.

    4. 77yankees
      February 20th, 2018 | 9:11 pm

      This is moot now. Yanks acquired Brandon Drury from Arizona. Another right handed hitter with a poor eye who strikes out too much – not what this team needed.

    5. February 20th, 2018 | 10:11 pm

      77yankees wrote:

      This is moot now. Yanks acquired Brandon Drury from Arizona. Another right handed hitter with a poor eye who strikes out too much – not what this team needed.

      Oh, I am sure that Ol’ Cashman will say “We have advanced metrics that none else has that shows his crappy numbers batting outside of Arizona are misleading and he’s really ready to break out now.”

    6. 77yankees
      February 20th, 2018 | 10:24 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Oh, I am sure that Ol’ Cashman will say “We have advanced metrics that none else has that shows his crappy numbers batting outside of Arizona are misleading and he’s really ready to break out now.”

      Yep. Joe Panik from SF would have been the perfect puzzle piece there. Lefty contact hitter with gap power plus very good defense at 2B. Plus he went to St. John’s and has been through the postseason grind, so he wouldn’t have been overwhelmed.

      That’s not to say Panik was available or whether SF would even trade him, but I would have been willing to offer Frazier or some reasonable package in exchange.

    7. Evan3457
      February 21st, 2018 | 3:30 am

      77yankees wrote:

      This is moot now. Yanks acquired Brandon Drury from Arizona. Another right handed hitter with a poor eye who strikes out too much – not what this team needed.

      Fortunately, he’s moving to one of the few home ballparks that’s even better for hitters than Chase Field. And then there’s Camden Yards, and Rogers Centre (for righties) and Fenway Park and Tropicana…well, not so much for Tropicana.

    8. Evan3457
      February 21st, 2018 | 3:54 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      77yankees wrote:

      This is moot now. Yanks acquired Brandon Drury from Arizona. Another right handed hitter with a poor eye who strikes out too much – not what this team needed.

      Oh, I am sure that Ol’ Cashman will say “We have advanced metrics that none else has that shows his crappy numbers batting outside of Arizona are misleading and he’s really ready to break out now.”

      Drury doesn’t look like a very good hitter, really. On the other hand, the key numbers for Drury are:

      Age: 24 (He might get better, not worse)
      Salary: Not much more than the minimum
      Positions played reasonably well: Two; 2nd and 3rd, and well, whaddya know? Both those positions are the ones the Yanks are going to apparently try to fill with rookies at some point this year.

      So the Yanks got an inexpensive, versatile piece, a player who is still quite young, and while not terribly good, isn’t terribly bad either (1.6 bWAR, 1.2 fWAR in 2017).

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      And they got him for Nick Solak, who looks like he might be a solid secondbaseman in a year or two, but if things break right with Torres, was never going to play for the Yanks, and Taylor Widener, a hard thrower with some control issues who pitched pretty well for the Yanks at high-A Tampa at the age of 22.

      The Yanks got Drury for their 12th and 22nd best prospects (Baseball America; they were listed in the “Next Ten” in Baseball Prospectus’ Top 10 list for the Yankees; Solak was #15 in Baseball HQ’s top 15 for the Yanks, Widener not on that list, MLB had Solak at #8, and Widener at #22 in the Yanks’ Top 30). Furthermore, the Yanks have depth in middle infield and right-handed starting pitcher prospects, so they dealt from organizational depth to shore up a major league roster weakness.

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      So he’s not Manny Machado or Jose Altuve, but he’s got some real value, and might actually improve. One other nice thing: Drury pretty much eliminates Jace Peterson or Danny Espinosa winning a job with a big spring training.

      And I thought I read somewhere that it doesn’t matter who plays 2nd or 3rd for the Yanks, anyway, because with the top 7 in the lineup, those two positions will hit 8th or 9th, amiright? 😉

    9. Greg H.
      February 21st, 2018 | 4:30 pm

      No problem with this move. Didn’t give up much and max salary remains to add a starter. Drury is nothing more than a placeholder for Gleyber and/or Miguel. Bad news for Toe, Wade and all the other infield depth players. Good news for the team.

    10. Raf
      February 21st, 2018 | 10:24 pm

      I like the move, it’s a good deal. The Yanks didn’t give up much of anything, and Drury has a lot of upside. He’s also a good backup if one or the other (Torres, Andujar) flops.

      Drury also has options, so he can ride the SWB Shuttle as needed.

    11. clintfsu813
      February 27th, 2018 | 4:38 pm

      @ Raf: My thoughts exactly!

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