Many like to say that Mike Piazza and (now) Jeff Bagwell open the door to the Hall of Fame for those suspected of using PEDs and those found to use PEDs. However, their careers were basically before there were rules around PED use. (We know that Major League Baseball did not roll out a PED policy with teeth until after the 2004 season.) It’s really hard to ticket someone for speeding, much less just pull them over, when there’s no speed limit posted. And, what about Ivan “Pudge” Rodriguez? Yes, I know: Jose Canseco confessed that he introduced Pudge to PEDs. But, look at the numbers. From 1991-2004, Pudge played 1758 games and had an OPS+ of 115. From 2005 through 2011, he played 785 games and had an OPS+ of 85. And, remember: in Spring Training 2005, Pudge showed up 20 pounds lighter than he was in previous years. If Pudge was using PEDs, there’s some evidence to point towards him no longer using them once there was a policy against them. All of this is probably why Piazza, Bagwell and Pudge are in the Hall of Fame now – it’s suspicion only and all pre-policy. You are going to see the same thing with Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Granted, there’s more than just a suspicion with them. But, the bulk of their body of work is pre-policy and there are no suspensions or convictions on their record due to PED use. The two PED cases that will be most interesting with respect to the Hall of Fame are Manny Ramirez and Alex “A-Rod” Rodriguez. Both failed tests twice. Both were suspended for lengthy periods for failing a test AFTER there was a policy against it. Manny is already on the ballot. (This was his first year on it.) A-Rod has to wait 5 years before they vote on him. They may both get elected to the Hall. But, it’s not going to be quick or easy for them.
Between the “hometown” New Yorkers and those coming from Japan to witness their first Hall of Famer, the town of Cooperstown would go nuts if this happened.
Will there be enough room, if this happens, for Alex Rodriguez to set up a folding table on Main Street where he can sell autographs?
Steiner Sports is probably working on something as we speak…
Via John Manuel -
…but in the draft era, [Frank] Thomas is just the 10th college alumnus to earn a spot in Cooperstown.
Just ten since 1965? I find that amazing. Does that say something about the benefits of going pro out of High School?
Feel free to discuss the result in the comments section here.
If one of these does not get into Cooperstown next week, would you be upset?
Via MLB –
Former managers Tony La Russa, Joe Torre and Bobby Cox have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame by a unanimous vote of the Expansion Era committee.
La Russa, Torre and Cox each won more than 2,000 games as a manager. Torre is one of five to win at least four World Series titles, which he did with the Yankees in 1996 and 1998-2000. La Russa won championships with Oakland in 1989 and St. Louis in 2006 and 2011. Cox led Atlanta to the 1995 World Series title and 14 straight division titles.
Steiner Collectibles is probably trying to broker a three-signature ball as we speak…
So, will the Yankees now give Torre a day and retire #6?
Via the HOF -
Six former major league players, four managers and two executives comprise the 12-name Expansion Era ballot, featuring candidates whose greatest contributions to the game were realized from 1973 through the present. A 16-member Expansion Era electorate will review and cast votes at the 2013 Baseball Winter Meetings for consideration for the Hall of Fame Class of 2014, the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum announced today.
Dave Concepcion, Bobby Cox, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Tony La Russa, Billy Martin, Marvin Miller, Dave Parker, Dan Quisenberry, Ted Simmons, George Steinbrenner, Joe Torre are the candidates that will be considered by the electorate. Any candidate who earns votes on 75% of ballots cast will earn election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame and will be inducted on Sunday, July 27, 2014 in Cooperstown, N.Y. Results of the Expansion Era vote will be announced on Monday, December 9 at 10 a.m. ET from the Winter Meetings in Orlando, Fla.
The 16-member Hall of Fame Board-appointed electorate charged with the review of the Expansion Era ballot features: Hall of Fame members Rod Carew, Carlton Fisk, Whitey Herzog, Tommy Lasorda, Joe Morgan, Paul Molitor, Phil Niekro and Frank Robinson; major league executives Paul Beeston (Blue Jays), Andy MacPhail, Dave Montgomery (Phillies) and Jerry Reinsdorf (White Sox); and historians Steve Hirdt (Elias Sports Bureau), Bruce Jenkins (San Francisco Chronicle), Jack O’Connell (BBWAA) and Jim Reeves (retired, Fort Worth Star-Telegram).
The Expansion Era ballot was devised this fall by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America (BBWAA)-appointed Historical Overview Committee from all eligible candidates among managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players, whose most significant career impact was realized from 1973 through the present. Eligible candidates include players who appeared in at least 10 consecutive major league seasons, who are not on Major League Baseball’s ineligible list and have been retired for 21 or more seasons (those whose last playing appearance was no later than 1992); managers and umpires with 10 or more years in baseball and retired for at least five years, with candidates who are 65 years or older eligible six months from the date of the election following retirement; and Executives with 10 consecutive years in baseball and retired for at least five years, with active executives 65 years or older are eligible for consideration.
I think it will be tough for Torre with Cox and LaRussa here. Unless, he gets double credit for playing and managerial career.
I just saw this news from a couple of months ago:
President Barack Obama signed into law the National Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Act, culminating an exceptional bi-partisan initiative, spearheaded by U.S. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and U.S. Congressman Richard Hanna, whose 24th District includes Cooperstown. This bi-partisan team secured the passage of The National Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Act with the support of every member of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
The National Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Act will celebrate and honor the 75th anniversary of the Hall of Fame in 2014, directing the Secretary of the Treasury to mint not more than 50,000 $5 gold coins, 400,000 $1 silver coins and 750,000 half dollar coins in recognition of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum during a one-year period commencing on January 1, 2014. Surcharges from the sale of these coins, as much as 9.5 million dollars, will be paid to the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum to assist in financing its operations. This measure is in compliance with the Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010 and results in no cost to the U.S. Treasury or U.S. taxpayer.
“For 75 years, Americans have been visiting our very own Cooperstown to honor the legends of America’s favorite pastime,” Senator Gillibrand said. “The National Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Act will build on the recognition Cooperstown deserves, honor its history, and help draw more Americans to visit this truly magical place in upstate New York. And there’s no better place to mint these coins than West Point.”
“I am privileged to represent Cooperstown and, as a past 10-year resident, sponsoring this bill in the House was especially meaningful for me,” Representative Hanna said. “This cost-free legislation help preserve our National Pastime and the non-profit museum in Cooperstown. I encourage everyone to visit Cooperstown at least once to take in its history and natural beauty. You won’t be disappointed.”
“The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum is so appreciative of the support of the U.S. House, Senate and President Obama for providing awareness, exposure and the potential for a significant infusion of tourism and revenue to Cooperstown with the Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Act,” said Jeff Idelson, President of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. “We are grateful to Senator Gillibrand, Congressman Hanna, and everyone who worked on this bill to deliver a program all Americans can enjoy and treasure as a symbol of the enduring spirit of our National Pastime.”
This is a select group of players:
Which of these players will ever get into Cooperstown? Which ones should?
I wonder how many of these guys will ever make it? Some have not been on a ballot yet…but others may never get in, for sundry reasons.
Todd Helton and A-Rod are knocking on the door of this club.
It’s a short list which should get shorter very soon:
Is there ever any chance that Kaat, John, Moyer or Tanana ever make the Hall of Fame?
Marc Topkin did a Q&A with Lou Piniella. Here is a snip:
How about your chances to make the Hall of Fame (as a manager)?
My numbers are there. I finished 14th all time, over 1,800 wins, won a world championship, won 116 games in a season, which was only done one other time. But I’m in with a tough group. I’ve got (Tony) La Russa, my good buddy, I’ve got Joe Torre, I’ve got Bobby Cox. These guys have had great, great careers. So we’ll see what happens. But if you ask me, if you look at other managers that have gotten in, you look at their resumes, mine is as impressive or more impressive.
Sounds like it would mean a lot to you?
It would mean a lot to anybody. It’s the epitome of what you work for. Just to be considered is a good warm and fuzzy feeling.
Ten years ago, I thought Lou had a case for Cooperstown. If they do it, I just hope they do it while he is still alive.
An interesting panel and debate…
Still with me? Here is the list:
Is there any chance that Mad Dog does not get elected to the Hall of Fame next year?
A winning candidate did not emerge from the Hall of Fame balloting conducted by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America and verified by Ernst & Young. There were 569 ballots cast, the third highest total in the history of the voting, but none of the 37 candidates in the 2013 vote gained mention on the required 75 percent for election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
Craig Biggio, who totaled 3,060 hits and was a seven-time All-Star while playing three positions (catcher, second base, outfield), topped the ballot with 388 votes – 39 shy of the 427 needed for election. His total reflected 68.2 percent of the electorate, which consists of BBWAA members with 10 or more consecutive years of Major League Baseball coverage. Five blank ballots were among those submitted. Other players named on more than half the ballots were pitcher Jack Morris with 385 (67.7 percent), first baseman Jeff Bagwell with 339 (59.6), catcher Mike Piazza with 329 (57.8) and outfielder Tim Raines with 297 (52.2).
Commenting on the election, Hall of Fame president Jeff Idelson said, “The standards for earning election to the Hall of Fame have been very high ever since the rules were created in 1936. We realize the challenges voters are faced with in this era. The Hall of Fame has always entrusted the exclusive voting privilege to the Baseball Writers’ Association of America. We remain pleased with their role in evaluating candidates based on the criteria we provide.”
This is the eighth election by the BBWAA that did not produce a Hall of Famer and the first since 1996.
This is great for those who like a baseball debate. But, it’s terrible for the Cooperstown economy. Induction weekend this year is going to be a ghost town…
Gotta think that Biggio gets in next year. But, I’m not sure I see the reason to make him wait. And, maybe next year is the big one for Jack Morris too?
What do you think?
Any other two players on this year’s ballot who you think it would be fun to have a H-T-H vote race with? Who are they?
I know that’s going to be about seven years from now. But, when it happens – and it’s going to happen – do you know how insane an event it’s going to be?
The village of Cooperstown is going to be swamped that weekend. And, there’s going to be TONS of money to be made by a lot of people.
It may just be the biggest and craziest induction weekend in the history of the Hall of Fame. And, I wonder who, from all the parties involved, will be the one who comes out on top in terms of getting their arms around this thing and controlling what happens, etc.
Hopefully, someone will make a documentary of the whole thing as it unfolds. It would be great if someone captures all the angles to this happening – include the inside ones.
It will be interesting if Piazza doesn’t make it and then his book comes out next month…
And, I still think Biggio is going to make it this year.
It’s a pretty cool story – via the good folks at Cooperstown –
Shortly after sunrise on a cold November Saturday morning in Cooperstown, Raul Ibanez reached down to high-five his 11-year-old son, Raul Jr., upon learning of his history-making Friday night.
Though the 2011 major league season had concluded a week earlier, Ibanez was all smiles in learning that he had just become the first major league player in history – active or retired – to spend the night in the famed Plaque Gallery at the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum.
“RJ, we are a part of history,” father Raul explained to son.
On Friday night, RJ and his teammates from the Lower Merion (PA) Little League travel team participated in the Museum’s “Extra Innings Overnight” program in Cooperstown. More than 40 kids and parents had an exclusive experience to learn more about baseball’s history, see the game’s priceless treasures through artifact presentations and watch baseball-themed films before calling it a night in sleeping bags on the floor of the hallowed Hall.
Among the bronze plaques of the 295 players, managers, umpires and executives who have earned the highest honor in the game’s history, Ibanez and his son were fans for a night, in awe of the Hall of Fame. The morning after, they were wide-eyed from this special program that allows fans a chance to “sleep over” at the Hall of Fame during the fall and winter months.
“It was an amazing experience,” Raul Sr. said. “We will have memories that will last forever with my son out of this. He’ll be 50 one day and we’ll be talking about this visit to Cooperstown.”
The fact that Ibanez was able to achieve the milestone with his son was more than just part of the story on this November night: It was the reason the father-son duo traveled together to Cooperstown. The Ibanezes spend quality time while participating in evening programs in the Museum, sharing stories and laughs, before falling asleep in the enclaves of the Gallery, with the plaques of baseball heroes above them, dreaming of baseball greatness.
“It was really fun,” said Raul Jr. “I enjoyed everything about it. It’s pretty cool to sleep in the Hall of Fame Gallery. This was something our team wanted to do together. It was great for us to be able to visit the Hall of Fame as a team.”