An interesting question came up here yestersday regarding Derek Jeter and Joe DiMaggio – centering on who is the “greater” Yankee (in terms of their career with the team).
I’ve found Jeter and DiMaggio to be very alike – off the field – in terms of how they carry themselves, deal with fans, media, and fellow teammates as well as protect their “image.” But, what about on the field?
Here, it gets a little harder. “Joe D” was a center fielder who played in a home ballpark which was a killer for right-handed batters (such as he). And, DiMaggio missed three years of playing time due to World War II. “Jete” is a shortstop who has played in a more forgiving Yankee Stadium (for right-handed batters such as he). And, Jeter’s career is still unfolding.
Also, there’s the matter of each player’s defensive reputation. Reportedly, DiMaggio never had to dive for a ball in the outfield because his range and knack for tracking flies was so great. Whereas, Jeter’s range at shortstop, most seasons, has brought cause for the expression “Past-a-diving Jeter.” Then again, the Defensive Spectrum says that playing shortstop is more difficult than playing center field. And, we know there have been many failed shortstops who have converted to become pretty solid defensive center fielders. So, maybe a somewhat less than average defensive shortstop and a top-notch defensive center fielder are not as far apart, in terms of value to a team, as it may seem? To be candid, I have no idea. But, if someone wanted to make this point, I would not laugh at it, at first, knowing what little I do know on the subject – and, rather, would defer to see some more study on it before picking a side of the debate.
Moving past off-the-field conduct, clubhouse contributions, and the question of defensive value, we can focus on each player’s offensive statistics.
Thanks to applications like the Complete Baseball Encyclopedia (CBE) and wesites like Baseball-Reference.com (B-R.com) we have stats available that take playing era and ballpark factors and make them all relative – facilitating our comparison of Jeter’s and DiMaggio’s bat.
Joe DiMaggio had 7,671 big league Plate Appearances in his career. And, according to the CBE, he had 708 Runs Created Above Average (RCAA) in those appearances while, according to B-R.com, he posted an adjusted OPS (OPS+) of 155.
Derek Jeter, through yesterday’s game, has 9,703 big league Plate Appearances in his career. And, according to the CBE, he has 379 RCAA in those appearances while, according to B-R.com, he has an OPS+ of 121.
Doesn’t seem close, does it? But, let’s try something else here.
Let’s remember that Joe DiMaggio lost three years to the war. And, let’s remember that Derek Jeter is 35-years old and his career is still unfolding. Can we find two players, who are like “Joe D” and “Jete” that may provide another angle to examine in this debate?
I believe that Johnny Mize and Charlie Gehringer are those two players.
First, let’s look at Johnny Mize compared to Joe DiMaggio, in terms of relative offense:
BATTER PA RCAA OPS+
Johnny Mize 7371 667 158
Joe DiMaggio 7671 708 155
Now, those marks are pretty close. And, the beauty here is that Mize lost three “prime” seasons to the war – just like DiMaggo did during his career. Granted, Mize was a first baseman and DiMaggio, again, was a center fielder. But, it terms of “just the sticks,” you can make a case that Mize’s relative numbers are not that far off from DiMaggio’s relative numbers.
Next, let’s look at Derek Jeter, compared to Charlie Gehringer, through age 35 (with Jeter’s stats through 9/5/09):
BATTER PA RCAA OPS+
Charlie Gehringer 8533 409 127
Derek Jeter 9703 379 121
Now, these stats are not as close as the ones for Mize and DiMaggio. But, they’re somewhat close – and sort of convenient since both Jeter and Gehringer played the middle infield. (For the record, Gehringer would go on to total 10,237 PA in his career with 444 RCAA and an OPS+ of 124.)
Where am I going with this? Here: If I were to ask you which Hall-of-Famer had the better career, Johnny Mize and Charlie Gehringer, what would your answer be?
If you picked Mize, then, in the debate of DiMaggio versus Jeter, you should pick DiMaggio. But, if you picked Gehringer, then perhaps your answer in the DiMaggio/Jeter question should be Derek Jeter?
Yes, it’s the “complier” versus the superstar debate. It’s Pete Rose’s career against Mark McGwire’s career. Or, maybe it’s like Paul Molitor versus Dick Allen? At the end of the day, maybe there’s not a right-or-wrong answer or a clear winner and loser? That’s all I really want to say here…
…meaning…in the question of Derek Jeter and Joe DiMaggio, and who had the “greater” career…maybe the answer is not as slam-dunk as the stat totals suggest?
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