• The Revolving Door

    Posted by on January 30th, 2008 · Comments (15)

    File this one under: We didn’t get Johan Santana because of why?

    Since 2004, 36 different pitchers have started baseball games for the New York Yankees. And, over that four year period, only two pitchers have started 80+ games for the team: Mussina and Wang.

    Here’s the list of all 36 starters (with games started totals following their name):

    Kevin Brown 35
    Shawn Chacon 23
    Roger Clemens 17
    Tyler Clippard 6
    Jose Contreras 18
    Jorge DePaula 1
    Matt DeSalvo 5
    Alex Graman 2
    Brad Halsey 7
    Sean Henn 5
    Orlando Hernandez 15
    Phil Hughes 13
    Kei Igawa 12
    Randy Johnson 67
    Jeff Karstens 9
    Ian Kennedy 3
    Al Leiter 10
    Cory Lidle 9
    Jon Lieber 27
    Esteban Loaiza 6
    Darrell May 1
    Mike Mussina 116
    Donovan Osborne 2
    Carl Pavano 19
    Andy Pettitte 34
    Sidney Ponson 3
    Scott Proctor 1
    Darrell Rasner 9
    Tim Redding 1
    Aaron Small 12
    Tanyon Sturtze 4
    Javier Vazquez 32
    Chien-Ming Wang 80
    Kris Wilson 1
    Jaret Wright 40
    Chase Wright 2

    When the invisible man Carl Pavano makes the “Top 10” of games started for you, over a four year period, that tells you something, no?

    Comments on The Revolving Door

    1. gphunt
      January 30th, 2008 | 1:00 pm

      Tim Redding, Darrel May, and then Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small.
      It’s amazing how much luck plays into waiver wire pick ups and mid-season acquisitions.


    2. j
      January 30th, 2008 | 1:08 pm

      “When the invisible man Carl Pavano makes the “Top 10″ of games started for you,”

      Does it? Is Pavano a bad pitcher? Sure, his injury issues are.. well documented. But, you want this list to be short, not long, right?

      These hand waving arguments are silly. Look at the merits of the specific situation. Santana and a huge contract taking him out to his age 36 season potentially for at least 1 cost controlled high ceiling pitching prospect. That’s a pass.

    3. baileywalk
      January 30th, 2008 | 1:19 pm

      I think the Santana (non-)deal just gives more fuel to the hatred Steve feels toward Cashman (and, no doubt, Hughes). So apparently the answer to the awkwardly phrased “We didn’t get Santana because of why?” is: because Brian Cashman sucks when it comes to pitching.

    4. yankcrank20
      January 30th, 2008 | 1:28 pm

      whoever “WW Staff” is you answered your own question by contradicting your point. look at all 36 pitchers…do you know why the number has gotten to that many minor leaguers, no names and guys past their prime? BECAUSE NONE OF THEM WERE YOUNG, RELIABLE, HIGH-CEILING TALENT OR COST-CONTROLLED PITCHERS! They are all either old guys, bad free agent pick ups or too young, not ready minor league arms who the yanks had to bring in and rely on heavily because they traded their farm system away in previous years. with it being impossible to build teams via free agency now, cashman is developing cost-controlled valuable arms in house so they dont have to rely on guys like tim redding or kevin brown anymore. just open your eyes already

    5. Nick from Washington Heights
      January 30th, 2008 | 1:34 pm

      I guess we could set up a list of those starters we picked up from outside our system via trade or free agent signing and see that it hasn’t been fruitful to go that route and a counterpoint similarly simple would be made.

    6. Raf
      January 30th, 2008 | 3:26 pm

      File this one under: We didn’t get Johan Santana because of why?
      Because with the Yanks luck, Santana will blow out his _______ and be out for a season.

    7. Rich
      January 30th, 2008 | 4:20 pm

      We didn’t get Santana because of M-O-N-E-Y.

    8. ChrisXS
      January 30th, 2008 | 5:11 pm

      IPK + Melky for Johan + huge contract is a no-brainer. You make this deal every time. Cashman really blew this one.

      The last time the Yanks got a pitcher in their prime was Musinna. That turned out rather well.

    9. Rich
      January 30th, 2008 | 5:19 pm

      I love the way some fans are so willing to spend a team’s money.

    10. williamnyy
      January 30th, 2008 | 6:13 pm

      I think Steve has latched on to bashing Cashman as a way to drive traffic (and it works…most of my comments are usually to refute outlandish claims slamming Cashman). As one who developed an irrational loathing of Torre toward the end, I guess I can understand it. Of course, it’s not the best way to be taken seriously.

    11. baileywalk
      January 30th, 2008 | 7:10 pm

      IPK + Melky for Johan + huge contract is a no-brainer. You make this deal every time. Cashman really blew this one.

      Onley says the deal was actually IPK plus Wang as the starting point. That changes things dramatically. It’s interesting that the Twins thought the Yankees favored Hughes over Wang.

    12. MJ
      January 30th, 2008 | 7:17 pm

      IPK + Melky for Johan + huge contract is a no-brainer. You make this deal every time. Cashman really blew this one.
      Who would play CF? Scott Podsednik?

      It’s not just that the Twins came off Hughes, it’s the issue of how such a trade affects the 2008 roster. The Mets didn’t lose anyone important off their 2008 25-man roster. Think about it that way and you’ll see why the Yanks and Red Sox couldn’t make this deal.

    13. Rich
      January 30th, 2008 | 7:55 pm

      I favor Hughes over Wang, not by a little either.

    14. Yu Hsing Chen
      January 30th, 2008 | 11:52 pm

      in the long term I’d prefer Hughes over Wang too, but for 08? i’ll bet you the house that Wang will be significantly more valuable for the Yankees in 08. and that the difference between him + Kennedy and Johan for the team will be fairly minimal.

    15. Raf
      January 31st, 2008 | 11:06 am

      A number of pitchers on that list lost time to injury. Of course with Wright and Pavano, they should’ve seen it coming…

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