• 1989 – 1992 Yankees

    Posted by on July 30th, 2013 · Comments (13)

    I’ve been a Yankees fan since 1973.  And, I would have to say that those four years from 1989 through 1992 was the worst period – in terms of winning – that I have seen as a Yankees fan.

    Seriously, during that time, Roberto Kelly was probably the Yankees best overall position player (as Don Mattingly was in his decline) and Melido Perez was probably the best starting pitcher New York had in any of those given seasons.

    It was a time of Tim Leary, Andy Hawkins, Dave LaPoint, Chuck Cary and Greg Cadaret. And, it was an era of Mel Hall, Alvaro Espinoza, Kevin Maas, Bob Geren and a past his prime Jesse Barfield.

    This was the dark time in recent Yankees history where Gene Michael then turned the team into what we saw in Yankeeland from 1995 through 2001.

    Why bring this up?

    Simple – when you look at this current Yankees roster, and the state of their farm system, and the new rules around revenue sharing and free agency, is it a leap to think that 2014 through 2017 (for a Yankees fan) is going to be somewhat like it was from 1989 through 1992? If not, why?

    Comments on 1989 – 1992 Yankees

    1. EHawk
      July 30th, 2013 | 9:54 am

      Doubt it….everyone was saying the same thing about the Red Sox last season and look where they are now. Its not like their minor league system is producing a ton of young stud players

    2. July 30th, 2013 | 10:03 am

      @ EHawk:
      But, that trade with the Dodgers helped them, a lot.
      I don’t see the Yankees trading CC and Tex in a deal like the Sox were able to dump Crawford and Beckett.

    3. MJ Recanati
      July 30th, 2013 | 10:34 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      But, that trade with the Dodgers helped them, a lot.
      I don’t see the Yankees trading CC and Tex in a deal like the Sox were able to dump Crawford and Beckett.

      Gotta agree with that one. The Dodgers buying up every bad contract that Miami and Boston had was probably a once-in-a-lifetime event.

      That being said, CC/Tex are in no way the dead weight that Hanley/Crawfod/Beckett were. There’s still productivity left in both players.

    4. July 30th, 2013 | 10:52 am

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Dunno. The way CC is pitching this year is VERY concerning. And, Tex has been trending in the wrong way for a while now:

                                
      Year   Age  Tm  Lg   G  PA OPS+
      2008    28 TOT MLB 157 685  152
      2009    29 NYY  AL 156 707  141
      2010    30 NYY  AL 158 712  124
      2011    31 NYY  AL 156 684  121
      2012    32 NYY  AL 123 524  117
      2013    33 NYY  AL  15  63   67
      
    5. tanzo
      July 30th, 2013 | 11:19 am

      I remember sitting and watching Jake Gibbs, Horace Clarke, Andy Kosco, Dooley Womack and Ruben Amaro in 1968 thinking that it would never get any better, they would be this bad for a very long time.

    6. July 30th, 2013 | 11:40 am

      tanzo wrote:

      I remember sitting and watching Jake Gibbs, Horace Clarke, Andy Kosco, Dooley Womack and Ruben Amaro in 1968 thinking that it would never get any better, they would be this bad for a very long time.

      It did get better…but not until the mid ’70’s.

    7. MJ Recanati
      July 30th, 2013 | 11:55 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      The way CC is pitching this year is VERY concerning.

      I’m not concerned about CC. He’s a smart pitcher with four pitches. The velocity is down a tick but up from where it was in April. We’ve seen plenty of HOF-worthy pitchers have a blip on their resume as they adjusted to age, loss of velocity, etc.

      Steve L. wrote:

      And, Tex has been trending in the wrong way for a while now:

      True, but even in a career-worst season last year, he was still worth four wins above replacement in 120 games. He’s not the hit-to-all-fields stud he was through 2009 but he’s not finished.

    8. tanzo
      July 30th, 2013 | 12:10 pm

      I find it amazing that out of the last 17 years, the Yankees have made the post-season each year except one. Of the last 36 years, they have been in the post-season 22 years. They went from 64 to 76 without ever going to the post-season.

    9. July 30th, 2013 | 12:31 pm

      @ tanzo:
      But, you have to factor in the difference in the standings structure and playoff berths available between those two times too.

    10. tanzo
      July 30th, 2013 | 12:46 pm

      The wild card started in 1995, so in those 17 years the Yankees made it to playoffs in 16 of those years.
      1969 to 1994 league championships only, in those 25 years the Yankees made playoffs 5 times.
      Pre-1969 winner of AL played winner of NL, of those 66 years Yankees made playoffs in 29 of those years.

    11. EHawk
      July 30th, 2013 | 1:50 pm

      @ Steve L.:
      I think CC is hiding an injury…something is just not right with him obviously. Maybe he needs to put the pounds back on and start eating his 1 box a day of Cap’n Crunch again!

    12. Raf
      July 30th, 2013 | 7:49 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      But, you have to factor in the difference in the standings structure and playoff berths available between those two times too.

      Regardless, the Yanks finished leading the division more often than not. They were legitimately bad, save for a couple of years, from 1964-75

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      He’s not the hit-to-all-fields stud he was through 2009 but he’s not finished.

      If he keeps trying to pull everything into the shift, he will be…

    13. PHMDen
      July 30th, 2013 | 10:24 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      Is it a leap to think that 2014 through 2017 (for a Yankees fan) is going to be somewhat like it was from 1989 through 1992? If not, why?

      It’ll be the worst 3 yr stretch since 1989 through 1992, but not as bad as those years.

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